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Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by SprinklerGuy, Oct 26, 2001.

  1. SprinklerGuy

    SprinklerGuy LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,778

    Currently own a lawn sprinkler service business and was considering adding on a lawn maint. side. Am planning on targeting small to medium sized yards and only doing mowing/edging/blowing. On this coast, (west) yards are small, when we say small, less than 1000 sq. feet. Have talked with some local guys who say they can do 12-15 of these yards a day as long as it is only mow and blow.

    Any suggestions as to crew size, walk behinds or riders, that sort of thing. Remember also that around here there are block walls and skinny gates.

    I was thinking these numbers:
    50 yards a week X 25 per mow=1250
    foreman 450 per week w/ all applicable taxes, w.comp
    helper 325 per week w/all applicable taxes, w.comp
    various other problems and maintenance 200 per week

    that is a rough net of: 275 week

    this does not include any fert apps or trimming, all that on a per time basis. The extras would be the profit right?

    Is this workable or stupid? I know that another 1100 a month net is no big deal but with the extras, I was thinking it might push it to 2000 per month. Add some accounts, cull the bad ones, is this about right or no?

    Most companies around here do everything, trimming and all of that on larger more affluent yards and the price is about 50 per week. So my niche would be different.

    Sorry so long, appreciate any advice!
  2. awm

    awm LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,354

    I would think u would have some things unique to arizona.
    id try and find some one allready doing service there.
  3. P&J Lawncare

    P&J Lawncare LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 531

    I dont know what the you pay lawn techs in arizona but two guys can cut 50 yards in three days (ten hours a day) so I would think that you could just use two guys. the net you should be looking at is half labor and half profit so if you bring in 1250 gross 625 of it should be profit. Two walk behinds (36 and a 52) should get you off to a good start.
  4. Lawn-Scapes

    Lawn-Scapes LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,810

    That's small.. no that's tiny...

    I would hope that 2 guys could pump out 25 that size each day... easily!
  5. Runner

    Runner LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 13,497

    You better refigure all your calculations, and look CAREFULLY at ALL your figures. With all this considered, why would you even want to waste your time mowing? Take what you have in figures already. Now, add the cost and depreciation of your mowers and equipment. And, yes, they ARE going to take a heck of a beating!!! Now, you haven't even bought GAS yet. This is let alone the oil, filters, maintenance time, blades, etc., etc..
    If you are into irrigation at this time, why don't you look into something lucrative like fertilization. This would be a GREAT niche with your line. How many new lawns do you install with the irrigation sytems? You could sell a whole complete lawn in a month and a half, and if you are doing it right, your NEW lawn can look better than most of the neighbors. I know, because I do it. People can not beLIEVE that these lawns are only 2 months old. You could sell these fert jobs, make alot more money with ALOT less overhead, and once you got into the roll, you would see that you wouldn't even have TIME to mow. You're too busy making money! Sure, you can make a little money mowing with a 2 man crew, but ask someone about the numbers on fertilization. It's aMAZing. The trick is, you gotta be good. ;)
  6. SprinklerGuy

    SprinklerGuy LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,778

    Are you talking about liquid fert or dry fert? Do you mean like what Tru Green does? There aren't many guys doing that here. Could there be a reason for that? Other than ignorance of new things. Or could it be a regional thing?
  7. Guido

    Guido LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,087

    because I've been away from it for too long. One thing I will say is the third guy on a mow, trim, blow only crew is a waste. Especially on those size yards. 2 would be perfect.

    Good Luck!
  8. SprinklerGuy

    SprinklerGuy LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,778

    Where did all you guys get 3 guys from? I had mentioned in my first post only two guys.......Thanks for all the help though! You're right, 2 would be enough. I thought so to
  9. Guido

    Guido LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,087

    I may have confused this with another post, or else my eyes are telling me to put the beer down and go to bed!

  10. Runner

    Runner LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 13,497

    It sounds to me like you may have a relatively untapped market. Nothing better you could ask for. About any amount of the right food can show a diffrence, but if done right, you can show a BIG difference. This will sel. Look up your state regulations and qualification standards, see if you have a Lesco in your area, (not just as a supplier, but these guys are really knowledgable and helpful - there is ALWAYS someone at each branch with an agronomy degree. Even if you can't do the pesticide apps at first, sub them, and just do the fert. yourself. You can make money at an alarming rate. By the way, I have a friend down in your area that lives in Tempe. He has a blues band that plays all over down there. They were recently voted the #1 blues band in the state of Arizona. It's called Cold Shot and The Hurricane Horns. Have you heard of them?:)

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