What a bunch of mambi-pambies. Did I spell that right? Is it a word? Is it two words? If they think we're nuts, they should meet the irritation guys!! Is it possible that our industry could dissociate ourselves from all other lv categories? I don't want people confusing me with the guys who install vacuum systems. No offense. It's just that the people who do creative work need to be affiliated with free-speaking outcasts more than right-wing nut jobs. I'm not saying all non "outdoor-lighting" lv people are conservative extremists like Bill O'Reilly or the Taliban or anything, but some people at that nlvca make my stomach turn. "I went to the woods to live deliberately...."