Without getting to technical I was just wondering what program works best for the LCO's in this region. We all know that a soil test is needed to determine what each and individual property requires for NPK, but lets face it not all of us are taking soil tests at every property. My goal is to design a program in this region that will be better than the competitors. We all know which competitors out number us. Not that I want to compete with them but I want my customers to get there moneys worth and have the best looking lawn on the street. Easier said than done. There is one lesson I learned that will change my program in 2006 and that is 2 applications of Dimension. One just did not cut it last year, lots of hot spots in august. There were a few I did Early and Late spring with 2 apps. and they remained crabgrass free. That was only because I had extra bags but it proved to be the best thing I did. I believe our goal is 3-4 lbs of nitrogen per 1,000/sf per year in our area but there is always some discussion on when and how much. I was reading something today about Winterizer fertilizer. They are now saying a high Nitrogen fertilizer is more beneficial for cool season grasses than the Phosphorus & potassium. I am hoping to clear this up in this thread. If you go to the Scotts website and design a program for this region this is there ratios for Kentucky Blue Grass, Rye and Fescue: Early Spring 30-3-4 Late Spring 28-3-3 Summer 28-3-8 Late Fall (Winterizer) 22-3-14 Now this is a very big company with a good reputation with homeowners. Every homeowner I know who has used this program that I know were very satisfied so obviously they must know there numbers when they design these programs. Although I do question the nitrogen % on the summer application. It seems too high for a lawn that is probably dormant. So lets see what everyone else thinks....and what programs are successful for our Zone.