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Nutralene verus polymer SCU

Discussion in 'Pesticide & Herbicide Application' started by xpnd, Jun 1, 2003.

  1. xpnd

    xpnd LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 378

    Has anyone used both products? Is the premium price for Nutralene justified in slower fert release and slower growth over the polymer SCU? Comments of turf color quality would also be appreciated. Thanks
  2. Chad@LebanonTurf

    Chad@LebanonTurf Inactive
    Messages: 30

    Use Meth Ex 40 or Mesa from Lebanon Turf. Meth Ex 40 is the new and improved version of the Nutralene product. THe growth characteristics of the MEth Ex and Mesa are much slower than the PCSCU product and the color is phenomenal. You have never seen this green w/out the growth before. THe MESA product is priced more in line with the PCSCU product because it is not a homogeneous product like METH Ex 40. Although the nitrogen is totally homogeneous. MESA is made from METH Ex 40 and Ammonium Sulfate in one particle. You get an instant greening effect from the AS and longevity from the METH EX 40. Using methylene urea products is a lot better agronimically than the PCSCU, even the ones Lebanon produces. We all know the importance of Sulfur from the PCSCU product, but the MESA product has just as much sulfur coming from the Ammonium Sulfate product. Give it a try and I'll guarantee you'll like it and be a repeat user.
  3. HBFOXJr

    HBFOXJr LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,712

    Nutralene makes gorgeous turf.
  4. Grassmechanic

    Grassmechanic LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,697

    used both and, quite frankly, if both are used at the same rate of N, there was no noticable difference that I could see (this was on bent fairways and Ky. blue roughs). Save the $$$ and go with poly.

  5. mac43rn

    mac43rn LawnSite Member
    Messages: 238


    I really like Lebanon products, however, the company I purchase from has raised their prices dramatically. For example. The Lebanon 5-5-20 with dimension is selling for $30.00 for a 50lb bag. Kind of hard to make money when I can get similar product from Lesco at half that price. Is there any other distributor in the Evansville, IN area that handels Lebanaon products, for decent prices?


  6. Ray@LebanonTurf

    Ray@LebanonTurf LawnSite Member
    Messages: 57

    There is a huge difference between SCU and low end polymer enhanced SCU and methylene ureas like Meth-Ex 40 or MESA. SCU is subject to early [catastrophic] release due to premature cracking of the coatings that ocurres when these products are handled after manufacture. Some attrition is alway present but with the really cheap SCUs it can be as high as 35%. That means that 35% of the SCU in the product behaves just like urea. The result is that you need to use less N and make more frequent applications to avoid flush growth, overstimulation, etc.

    Methylene urea products, unlike coated products, rely on microbial breakdown to release. They actually feed soil microbes and are more reliable and generally last longer.

    At the end of the day turf loves N so you might not notice a difference between poly/scu and Meth-Ex on a single application. The circumstances of the application, weather, rate, etc. can all conspire to make a marginal N look good and vice versa. The difference is always evident over the long haul with methylene ureas producing healthier turf with less loss to leaching and volitilization.........................

    At the end of the day you get what you pay for.
  7. A lot of varience in the different scu, and polmer coated products! Depends on the manufactur of product!
    I personal wouldn't normorally use any scu product, only exception is in my pre emerge control, and I can't buy it without 50% of nitrogen from scu.

    To me, scu is the worst slow release nitrogen source available, my opion only
  8. scottt

    scottt LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 269

    I think I will try nutralene on our fescue here. It is common in my area to put down two ferts on fescue in late winter and spring. I think I will try one app. now of 21-7-14 with 30% nutralene and fe and other micros at 3 pounds per k. At a little under $13 a bag that comes out to $1.28 per k. If it turns out like I hope, I will make more money than the competition on my second app. with the same results. In the fall we do one winterizer app. and I think I will go with a regular scu to make sure nutrients are released in time and to save money. Your thoughts on this are appreciated.
  9. grassguy_

    grassguy_ LawnSite Senior Member
    from Ohio
    Messages: 633

    I've used both products and I'm partial to the Nutralene, simply seemed to do a better job for color longevity. But on a comparison side by side at the same time there probably isn't much difference, especially if you're using a higher % PSCU.
  10. Rtom45

    Rtom45 LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 456

    Are these fertilizers available as combination products? (I probably should go look at a catalog, but I'm here now so I'm asking).

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