$ of fertilizer has me reconsidering next year

Discussion in 'Fertilizer Application' started by General Grounds, Jul 7, 2008.

  1. ted putnam

    ted putnam LawnSite Platinum Member
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    One other negative besides the percentage...The time involved in broadcasting that back out on the lawns and or the crew you'll have to hire and pay to make it time efficient. I realize it is good for the lawn and good for the environment but we are also in business to make money. To me anyway...it's kinda like Rodney's comment about showing up with 800 pounds of cornmeal and a PG. Labor intensive...
  2. greendoctor

    greendoctor LawnSite Fanatic
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    Its very easy for the Green Nazis to sanctimoniously dictate to us. I am pretty sure most of them do not even have lawns or $40,000 of landscaping at home. My invite to them still stands. I want to see them pulling weeds and spreading compost. I also want to see them explain to one of my clients, who pays me $5,000 per year to keep his estate lawn, why there is nutsedge and kyllinga popping up through the brown dusty stuff that smells like a barnyard tossed all over his short cut zoysia
  3. DeepGreenLawn

    DeepGreenLawn LawnSite Silver Member
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    lol, I am not a Green Nazi, I have traditional programs available also. The topdress is only done once, maybe twice a year. It takes a little time but the benefits are great. I treat both my neighbor and I hand did not put ANY pre-m down this year. She had 3 weeds total. I had a little more mainly because I cut my lawn with a reel mower. The taller bermuda lawns are able to choke out weeds faster.

    I am not trying to dictate, I was just letting you know. I am making money on both sides. And if it smells like a barnyard then something isn't right and shouldn't be put down.
  4. greendoctor

    greendoctor LawnSite Fanatic
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    I am sure you are not trying to dictate. Lawns come to me in horrible shape. Both my client and I want improvement yesterday. The actual solution for many of them is to subgrade 12-18" and replace the removed material with a sand and compost growing media. I do not apply Pre-M to any lawns that I maintain. My preemergent control is to grow the grass thick and fast to choke out weeds. I do practice IPM, however understand the difference between that and a no chemical policy. In recent years, IPM has become synonymous with no chemicals. As for fertilizers, I am on an all liquid program. It is very similar to what is done on golf greens. It is low rates applied monthly. Warm season grasses do not have many weed problems if they are mowed at their correct height and fertilized for dense growth. For bermuda here, if it is not mowed at less than 1" with a reel mower, it is soon taken over by coarse grasses. I like compost topdressings, but their purpose is to change soil structure and increase moisture retention. It is not to take away fertilizers. My lawn care programs mean I have control over irrigation, mowing height and anything applied to the lawn. If I do not have control over that, either I do not do business or if it is an existing client doing contrary to my advice, client is fired.
  5. All Season Bill

    All Season Bill LawnSite Member
    Messages: 182

    One of these days if you ever want to sell your company......TGCL or anyone else is not interested in the mowing or the landscaping. Fert customers will add value to your business
    and make it more sellable.
  6. DeepGreenLawn

    DeepGreenLawn LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,372

    I agree with most everything you said except for the compost replacing fert part. If the compost is a good compost then it will have the nutrients needed to feed the plants. You are probably just missing the little guys who change that compost into the food. Compost, with the good guys, will feed the lawn with an as needed basis. The lawn takes what it needs and the rest waits until it is needed again. It also has great water retention too. Once you get the good guys established they too will help with disease resistance, keep the bad guys out. I love how you are using compost in your programs, get some CT or ICT from Bill down and see what happens. You might be surprised.

    Also, I agree that chems have their place. I just don't feel that all the fert is needed, I just feed the plants a different way, as said above.
  7. greendoctor

    greendoctor LawnSite Fanatic
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    I do not have an agenda, other than providing my clients with a better lawn than the uneducated gardeners or the big "landscaping" companies with their corner cutting and low class work. I do get defensive when my options and choices are being taken away by the GREEN types that will not be affected by their dictates. I do not have much disease problems, because my lawns are fed with a high K and micronutrient solution. The main diseases here are dollar spot,Take All decline, and leaf spot. Starving the grass aggravates these diseases.
  8. Turfdoctor1

    Turfdoctor1 LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 707

    do the customers get to walk on it? haha.

    wish i could get people to pay me for full maintenance like that! i am lucky to get $300 out of a 1/4 acre, and they don't understand why they have sedge an dallisgrass here and there.
  9. DeepGreenLawn

    DeepGreenLawn LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,372

    I got dollar spot too. Talk to ICT Bill. He has a product called NPP 123 I believe. It basically disolves the fungus, and everything else in the soil, so afterwards you should apply the ICT 123 to reintroduce the good guys you just wiped out. I have heard a lot of respectable people say the stuff was unbelievable. I plan on ordering myself some this week.

    LIBERTYLANDSCAPING LawnSite Bronze Member
    from Indiana
    Messages: 1,283

    Hocus Pocus & Snake Oil;)

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