On the fence- Super Z or Dixie Chopper XT33

Discussion in 'Hustler Turf Equip (Archived)' started by TriCountyLawn, Jan 10, 2006.

  1. TriCountyLawn

    TriCountyLawn LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Im in the spot where its looking like im going to need to add a 72" machine to our mowing line-up. I have a 48" hustler WB that we have been VERY happy with. In terms of dealer support my dealer sells both DC and Hustler so thats not a issue.

    I need a machine that can handel alot of grass. And mowing conditions that are not ideal at times (wet ect.) I know that the Hustler is faster but how fast can it mow? Does the new XR-7 deck increse cutting speed? And whats Hustlers stance on double blades?

    I would really like to have my mowing crews with all Hustlers what do you guys think >?
  2. mowerconsultant

    mowerconsultant LawnSite Fanatic
    Male, from Syracuse, NY
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    The new XR-7 decks are exactly what you need, and you will not have a need for double blades either.
    The XR-7 moves grass through the deck very fast, and this will allow you to cut at a higher rate of speed.
    Demo one before you buy it and you will be sold.
    Who is your dealer? Rigg's? tell them Pj says hi.

  3. Shady Brook

    Shady Brook LawnSite Bronze Member
    from Indiana
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    Riggs is awesome! I demoed those choppers on many occasions and I really wanted to like them...The Super Z is the no contest winner. I believe you would have to be a dyed in the wool Chopper cult member to opt for it over a Super Z. I don't mean any disrespect, I have heard dealers who sell choppers speak in similar terms regarding many chopper owners. The Super Z in my experience is so much better.

    Good luck
  4. TriCountyLawn

    TriCountyLawn LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Shady- Do you own a super Z ? Are you a local guy?

    Ive ran a Hustler Z w/ the honda motor and a reg deck (60 inch) and really liked the machine. The cut was good just like our walkbehind units and the hydros were really smooth.

    However the cutting speed was nowhere near that of a Dixie. Now i know ya cant compare a 25hp or so w/ a 60in deck to a 32hp 72in deck so i wont go there. But... Based on what i saw with that machine it was a long way off of what similar model dixies could do.

    If this next mower was going to be something that was gonna be used only on large residential type stuff I would feel better about going with a Hustler. Im looking at covering alot of ground per day. I try not to be a horsepower shopper but the 28hp vs the 33hp on the dixie worries me.

    I feel the Hustler is a safer machine and I feel better about my guys running it day in and day out. Also Hustler will hold a hill pretty nice. Where as the Dixie really lacks in that area. Really up in the air at this point for me. :blob1:
  5. Shady Brook

    Shady Brook LawnSite Bronze Member
    from Indiana
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    Yes, I do own a Super Z, and a Super mini. I have demod a regular hustler Z and the Super is much more comfortable, and much faster. I am a local guy, most all my work is in Lake county.

    I have spent some hours on the dixe with the 33, a flatlander 27, and a diesel chopper. If you are mowing up a hill, the dixies will not bog down like the Super Z does, but all you have to do is slow down a bit. The Super Z will run from all of the choppers, there is no contest in speed. I am sure the Hustler will mow faster in all conditions with a hill being the exception. The hustler handles better, the parking break set up is better, the hill stability is better, the warrenty is better, the cut is better imo, they are easier to learn, they get better traction, they appear better thought out, the weight distribution of the machine is better, the center of gravity is lower, the company stands behind their machine better then any other in my experience, and they seem to be trying to continually make new machines that guys like us want. Dixie chopper has some neat features as far as oil coolers, filters and some engine related stuff, but other things are stoneage. The deck height adjustment is just plain silly, there is not much ground clearance to get on trailers, and other things that make it a hastle for guys like us.

    Ok, I am done rambling. I am pationate about this subject because I really wanted to like the choppers. I could have put up with alot if they would have cut better, and I mean in grass of reasonable height. They cut clean, but did not discharge the clippings in a way that made them dissapear. I had the extream out in some reasonable growth, and could not make the grass clipping dissperse on double cuts, could probably have made 10 and would have still had to blow the yard. I took my mini back into a yard where the chopper had just single cut and started double cutting to no avail, and the mini made the lawn look perfect! The difference was so great that the chopper never made it off the trailer again til I got back to Riggs. The Super is better then the mini so the choice was obvious.

    Good luck with whatever decision you make!
  6. TriCountyLawn

    TriCountyLawn LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Shady- Thanks for the reply. Are you sure you dont work for Hustler ...just kidding. Have you cut with the new deck yet? Do you have any pics of your cut with the Hustler? I guees the reason that im kinda worried about the horsepower issue is that the first company I worked for. I had to run a Toro 72" with a 26hp EFI Kohler and it just felt SOOOO underpowerd. Then getting a fair amount of seat time on a 32hp Dixie I was in heaven.

    I also loved the OCDC on the Dixies. I havent had much experience with the aftermarket OCDC's I messed with a "Quickchute" on a Hustler at the Riggs in Mishawalka once but didnt really have time get a feel for it. However it seemed like it would do the job.

    For as the motor options. What difference will i be looking at between the 28efi and 30hp kohler? The specs are the same between the two on Hustlers site.
  7. CutApproved

    CutApproved LawnSite Member
    from NJ
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    Shady Brook, what about the SUPER MINI - 52", 25HP KAW? I'm concerned about getting the larger SUPER Z, (weight, price etc..)

    I currently use a 52" Exmark,, but never like it.. In your opinion,, will I be much happier if I went with the Super Mine compared to the Ex,, and what about compared to the SuperZ ? ? ? ? ?

    Thanks,, Hope this helps anyone else with their decision too.
  8. Shady Brook

    Shady Brook LawnSite Bronze Member
    from Indiana
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    Tri county
    Yes, did kind of feel like I should be getting a bi-monthly check from Hustler after that last post! Not that I would complain or anything. :)

    I am going to guess that the Toro you were on did not have the Super flow deck, or the new Turboforce. I think they both will cut pretty fast without bogging. Neither model is as fast as a chopper or Hustler. I have rolled with good speed through tall thick grass with my Super without needing to slow much if any at all. With super high lifts very tall grass will slow it, but I think it would slow any machine. The Dixie deck is a very open design made to cut the grass once and get it out the chute. The Hustler is partially baffled which seems to cut the grass up finner, but also has the ability to discharge the grass a long way. A Riggs salesman who used to run choppers in the past told me how far it through the grass... not even close to the Hustler. The distance is not everything, but it can throw it out and spread it, where the dixie's seem to toss it into more of a thick windrow. The deck seems so open that discharge velocity is sacrficed. No I have not spent time on the New Deck, but will likely add one to my fleet this year. I don't have any pictures of the cut either, something I should do sometime.

    I don't think that 30hp unit will be ready for a while yet from what I have read. I think the 28 will be real close in performance to the 30. I understand your concern about 27, 28 hp motors on 72" machines. I would like to see more, but would imagine the 28 efi would be plenty. I had spent some time with a 60" Toro that had the 28 efi, and it was plenty and then some. Even if you feel the need to get a 72", I would personally get the Super Z. The advantages to me are so much in it's favor that there is no comparison to me. I bet I could outcut a 72" dixie on my 60". I have a common ground I service that is pretty flat that borders a lake and has very few obstacles. It has 1/3 mile straight runs. I can mow most of it at close to 15 mph. It will mow full tilt if the grass is not super tall or thick. You can cover alot of ground this way. Besides the speed, the extra trimming I would have to do on the edge of the lake with the chopper would be maddening. The edge is steep and dangerous.

    I could not have a rider without a chute blocker either. Dixie gets bonus points for coming up with the idea but.... I run Quikchute's on my Hustlers and much prefer them. They are made very stout, expecially for the full size Z's. They are very fast to operate, much faster then the chopper ocdc. They do not allow blowout into beds, and make mulching leaves a dream come true. The chopper unit has large enough holes that it allows to much debris to be cast into beds you are trying to keep clean. I love my Quikchutes.

    I know there are some hills in the SB area, if you have any, the Super will make life so much nicer.


    There is a price difference between the Super mini and the Super, but not a huge amount. If I were getting a Super, I would get a 60. There is no trim side on the 52, which is nice to have. The 52 weighs almost as much as the 60", and is the same length as well. I am not a Kaw fan after having problems with their big motors in the past. I would go with the 27 Kohler. The price of the Super 52 is within a couple hundred bucks of a 27 60". I find that there are very very few places that the 60 won't go that the 52 will. I will likely only buy 60's or bigger in the furture. The 60" seems to cut noticably more grass. My first reccomendation then would be to consider a 60" for a rider.

    If you must have a 52, the super mini is not cheap. I think it is about 500 to 600less then a Super. The deck on the mini is shallower then the full Super's. The new Supers Z's will be deeper yet it appears. In tall grass the Super Z wins. My Super mini has the 27 so it is a beast, but in tall thick stuff the grass starts to amass at the discharge chute. In tall thick stuff sometimes the full deck hurts the clean cutting performance a bit. I don't think the vacume is as good on the mini as on the Super. You can not cut quite as high with the mini as you can with the Super Z due to the low profile deck design. The Super will hold a hill a bit better, but could be due to the fact that it is weighs more and is a 60. The mini rides like a dream, more comfortable then the Super. It suprised me! Seems like the castor positioning may make the difference. There is a big overhang on the mini so you have a great trim edge. The mini is a rocket! It says it goes 13....It is faster then the Super Z! Not just mine, but many have been raced, and the Super mini's always win. It is amazingly manuverable! It turns on a dime, it is very nimble, and more forgiveing when turning then it's big brother. In normal grass conditions it will fly, and in small to medium yards will likely cut nearly as much grass as a 60" Super. For small to medium size yards this machine really excells. One of my guys has really mastered this mower, and I have seen him full tilt in 8k yards. It is a sight to see a mower streaking back and forth at 15 mph!

    I have not heard much bad about the exmark riders. Is yours an hp, or a full Lazer? What don't you like about it? I can't tell you what you will like better. I can tell you that the warrenty will be better on the Hustler products, that the parking brake is better, that you get a suspension seat standard that makes the ride so very nice, and probably could list a few other things that would favor the Hustler products as well. That does not mean it is better, you may have to demo some mowers to prove it to yourself.

    Oh, as far a weight... I think the big 60 may be more abusive when turning then the mini's. I think the mini's may be more damage rut wise in soft lawns. The 60" has some big tires that make rutting a non issue, but their surface area can be hard when turning and sliding. The mini's narrow tires a less harsh because the surface area is smaller, but the weight over the smaller tires will be more likely to leave an imprint in soft lawns.

    Hope this helps.
  9. mowerconsultant

    mowerconsultant LawnSite Fanatic
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    Wow, good post Shady.... by the way we just sent out W-2's, so you know how much we paid you this past year...... lol...lol...lol....
    So everyone knows I am just kidding, we don't pay anyone to "hype" our product.....
  10. Shady Brook

    Shady Brook LawnSite Bronze Member
    from Indiana
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    Come on man, I thought I was getting cash kickbacks this year!payup

    One you have a great product, great support, and great company, it is easy to brag them. Another good example is Hustlers presence here on lawn site. How many other big mower companies are represented here. PJ has helped me on numerous occasions when my dealer was closed, or if I had a question that no one else had the answer to. Even this week I asked a simple question that if I looked at my manual I would have found the answer to, but none the less I received a response answering my question within hours.

    I am just happy to share my experience, and it has been a good one with Hustler!

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