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Discussion in 'Landscape Lighting' started by Landscape Illuminating, Mar 6, 2010.

  1. Landscape Illuminating

    Landscape Illuminating LawnSite Member
    from Maine
    Messages: 84

    Hello all,

    I'm searching for a fixture to use in the recessed shelf area of this fireplace. The area of the finished top section (mounting area) will be 10x22. I'm not sure if there will be any sort of nosing to hide the fixture so for now I'll assume there will not be.

    I'm hoping that I can recess the fixture into the bricks, but that may not be an option. If it is possible, I'd like to at least recess it enough to get the face of the fixture flush with the brick. Optimally I'd like to recess it further of course. I haven't handled the Vanguard fixture yet. I'm wondering if I can recess a modified Vanguard in such a manner. I'll have a conduit coming down into that area that I'll mount to the plate of the Vanguard. Is this a viable solution?

    Now, if I can't recess the fixture I'm having trouble finding something that I would like. The only thing I've found so far is the Cast CEWL6CB which would be mounted to the top of the opening facing the rear. This fixture is only 6" and only has one 10w lamp however.

    I wish I could use well lights, but that's likely not an option due to the design.

    Please note there are no trees around and no structure to use either.

    Here it is in it's current phase and the surrounding area:


  2. Terradek

    Terradek LawnSite Member
    Messages: 104

    Have you checked out the Hadco LLL. They come in either 6", 12", 18", or 24" lenghts x 1" wide and tall. The 6" and 12" have a single 10w bipin lamp, the 18" and 24" have two 10w Lamps. For this application they may be what you are looking for (note they are only available in copper). Check them out at www.hadcolighting.com (model LLL).

    Good luck, and Best wishes
  3. Landscape Illuminating

    Landscape Illuminating LawnSite Member
    from Maine
    Messages: 84

    Thanks for viewing my post and actually responding. I was actually thumbing through a couple of catalogs during lunch today and did in fact notice the Hadco LLL. I did have a couple of questions about them. Are they an open face (no lens)? I guess I'll try to find a better spec sheet than what was in the catalog.

  4. azdwight

    azdwight LawnSite Member
    Messages: 2

    Take a look at the attached pdf. Vista has improved it's rail light and may work very well for you.

    Attached Files:

  5. emby

    emby LawnSite Senior Member
    from Ontario
    Messages: 380

    Vanguard 8 if your going to consider that type of light. Hands down. Awsome fixture.
    Look for Joeys Video on it.

  6. Landscape Illuminating

    Landscape Illuminating LawnSite Member
    from Maine
    Messages: 84

    Thanks for the link. I hadn't given Vista a look. This fixture looks like a mix of the LLL and the Vanguard. It looks to me like it's aluminum however which isn't an option due to the close proximity to the ocean and the likely hood that it will be very difficult to replace.


    EDIT: I guess it is offered in a brass version. I'll look into it....thanks.
    Last edited: Mar 8, 2010
  7. Landscape Illuminating

    Landscape Illuminating LawnSite Member
    from Maine
    Messages: 84

    Thanks Ken. My biggest concern with the Vanguard is having access to the screws on each end of the fixture. Depending on the final placement decision this could be an issue if recessed into the stone. The LLL seems like a better option is that circumstance, but the lack of a lens brings up another issue.

  8. klkanders

    klkanders LawnSite Senior Member
    from Midwest
    Messages: 849

    Chad, The Vista and vanguard are available in Copper as well. I have used both the Vista and Unique Vanguard. They are different in size and how the lamp is accessed under the glass lens. The Vista's I installed were the older version I believe, with the screws on the face plate.
    Would leaving a small space on each side for a right angle screwdriver work in your application?

    Good Luck!
  9. azdwight

    azdwight LawnSite Member
    Messages: 2

    The Vista series also comes in Copper, Brass, and Stainless Steel. They can also powder coat any of these to help the fixture blend into its environment. The new lens release makes it easy to access the lamp with no tools and protects the lamp better than most other similar fixtures.

    I would give it a try.
  10. RLDesign

    RLDesign LawnSite Member
    Messages: 145

    CASTs similar rock mounted edge light is one of the most forward thinking fixtures of this type. Dave B. at CAST really put some thought into application on this fixture with the mounting options and lamp tiltout. If I had a choice and it was rustic, I would choose this fixtures. The Mason liter by Nightscaping is also another option.

    Talk soon.


    Someone might have the link or a photo of CASTs ledge light installed.

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