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Discussion in 'Hardscaping' started by TnToutdoors, May 11, 2014.

  1. DVS Hardscaper

    DVS Hardscaper LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 6,601

    Ok, this is where construction instinct comes into play. Never mind "what THEY want". We all "WANT" things. But we have to be realistic. And as professionals it's our job to know what the heck we're doing and make sound decisions REGARDLESS of what the customer "WANTS". And sometimes this means we risk losing the sale.

    The rest of the wall is easy. So lets set that issue aside.

    Its the wall by the porch that is challenging. So this wall is going to dictate everything.

    #1. As I said, I would not cut this porch. We do a lot of concrete demo work on a weekly basis, you'd be amazed at how that slab is probably supported. You could be opening a can of worms. I would let someone else take the risk and screw up their porch before I take on that liability.

    #2. Wood walls is not the end of the world. In this case, a wood wall is going to be far easier than block. Easier = LESS MONEY. Less money = SALE

    #3. People want instant gratification. We live in a cell phone app age. The owners probably do not have any idea that something IS supporting THAT slab. They probably thing it's simply sitting on soil. Well - I'm betting there is a 4-8 inch VOID under the slab. So its your job to educate the home owner of potential complications.
  2. whiffyspark

    whiffyspark LawnSite Fanatic
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    I like that idea. I think we were over complicated this.
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  3. DVS Hardscaper

    DVS Hardscaper LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 6,601

    Hard to say. We did a demo job last week were the concrete slab was supported by a block wall about 3' off the ground. I had no idea, I just though the concrete was resting on the ground.

    The porch at my home is supported by a 3-sided wall. (but a few inches of wall is visible above grade)
  4. whiffyspark

    whiffyspark LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 6,497

    Just my opinion but judging by the pictures it looks like there was a wall there. The wood wall seems to be added after the fact
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  5. DVS Hardscaper

    DVS Hardscaper LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 6,601

    The concrete wall was poured in conjunction with the foundation walls. It's load bearing. Supporting the roof.

    being the dwelling has a brick veneer, you'd think they would have veneered the porch with brick instead of installing 6x6's. brick would have been much easier.
  6. DVS Hardscaper

    DVS Hardscaper LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 6,601

    Obviously :)
  7. alldayrj

    alldayrj LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,793

    Jam a screw driver through a space and see if you hit concrete. It would be suspect to put a slab on "grade" thats holding columns (that look weight bearing) supported by just that rr tie wall. The slab doesnt look cracked or settled at all, indicating to me at least that it was built correctly
  8. StoneWorks Paving

    StoneWorks Paving LawnSite Member
    Messages: 5

    Do some exploratory digging behind those railway ties. Find out if there's just the porch slab, or if its tied into anything else. Or if its concrete all the way down to the driveway

    Or alternatively do a poured retaining wall tied into the porch with steel then clad with cultured stone?

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