organic weed control

Discussion in 'Pesticide & Herbicide Application' started by dgw, Jul 17, 2011.

  1. HayBay

    HayBay LawnSite Senior Member
    from Ontario
    Messages: 846

    That is the story you will get, right there

    Organic but spot sprayed when needed. (people used to call this a bridge program)

    Take away the 2,4-D and you are going to have a lot of weeds.
    Unless you spend 10 times (at least) as much on irrigation, seeding, hand weeding and more hand weeding.
    It would become a full time job to maintain just 1 property.

    Chip Osborne Knows how to maintain an organic turf, at $100,000 - $300,000 a year in costs.
    Chip Osborne helped put together an Organic Municipal Lawn Program in Colorado, it cost $300,000 a year to hand weed, goats and put out predator bugs, aerate, overseed.
    They used to spend $15,000 a year on Glyphosate and 2,4-D

    Thick Healthy Lawn that crowds out weeds? You mean Chemical Applicators don't want this kind of results too? Its not just an organic thing. Cultural practices are nothing new.

    Check out Jeff Carlsons stuff, the Super at Marthas Vineyard Golf Club, $350,000 a year membership. He will tell you about organic. They are 80% organic. Dont be upset when you hear compost tea was a failure for him. They spent about $20,000 -$30,000 in labor a year to hand pick weeds

    Cornells, Frank Rossi lost his funding for his organic program at Bethpage Golf Club. He was only maintaining practice tees organically and it was not working out very well.

    My favorite is when there are no other organic products on the market at the time and the lawns look like failures, they start ranting about imprelis in the groud water, and everyones gonna die.

    You basically have 3 years from the date of no Pesticide inputs to watch the turf turn into a weed/turf combination.

    There are exceptions, but very very few. If you think you can maintain 50 customers lawns organically and there will be very little weeds to no weeds present. You will be wrong. Just imagine 500-1000 customers.

    I remember when using 2,4-D in the past there was very little product required to maintain a yard.
    With Alternative Products you are using gallons of active ingredient compared to ounces of it and the results are still no good.

    Pray that 2,4-D is not banned in your neighbourhood
    Last edited: Jul 18, 2011
  2. Ric

    Ric LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,969

    Older Member will appreciate a Quote from the infamous Lawrence Stone. BTW I am not taking the time to actually find the Quote in the archives.

    Hay Bay

    No one said a Orgasm was cheap.

    I owe you a half apology. I was thinking you were a Cheap Canadian Tree Hugger and Granola Nut. I just realized you aren't a Tree Hugger Granola Nut. But I will disagree on the Terminology of a Bridge Program. Spot treating a Orgasmic program with a synthetic herbicide is not a Bridge Program. It is cheating on your Granola Nuts that are paying for a Orgasm.

    A Bridge Program is the blanket application of Both Organic and Synthetic products. Sewage Sludge as filler in a Synthetic Blend of fertilizer is in fact a Bridge Product. Bridge programs take advantage of both world and everyone should consider the advantages of Bridge Programs. If the Granola Nut had any common sense they might realize a Bridge program and it's results are a lot more acceptable to the general public and still environmentally friendly.
  3. HayBay

    HayBay LawnSite Senior Member
    from Ontario
    Messages: 846

    I like your description of bridge program better.

    That Lawrence Stone quote was an excellent one.
  4. Ric

    Ric LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,969

    Hay Bay

    Here in the Bug Capital of US of America, Orgasmic programs are not working. But Some are trying to sell Orgasmic programs and then Cheating by using Synthetic programs. Natural Zone out of Sarasota sold the School boards on their Orgasmic Program Years ago. Only trouble is I have watched them apply Dursban all over the school yard Back in the day. They were targeting Mole Crickets in early September which should tell you they didn't have a clue in the first place. Early May is the best window of opportunity for Mole Crickets. Diaizion not Dursban would of been smart choice as a control for Mole Crickets back then.

    Stone was Ban long before you joint LS. But if you like cynical humor the Fugal Agronomist was fun to read. kind of Like a Frank Fescue but much more vicious. Stone is now a 1st assist on a 27 hole Golf Course Resort in the Western Poconos about an hour and a half out of NYC. He just bought a house in the Poconos for cash and will be closing in two weeks. Yes I talk with him a few times each week.
  5. nik

    nik LawnSite Member
    Messages: 185

    That's the sad part, innit? That folks just don't know that to begin with.
  6. Ric

    Ric LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,969


    If you are going to quote me (or anyone) Please give credit where credit is due.
  7. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster LawnSite Member
    from Utah
    Messages: 217

    Ive had ok results with corn meal / soy bean meal for feed and spot spray with canning salt with vinager and dish soap. MAke it thick and use a paint brush to wipe only the leafs on weeds.
  8. dgw

    dgw LawnSite Bronze Member
    from OH
    Messages: 1,008


    honestly though im not interested in trying any organic products

    she seems happy with her organic guys, so ill just stick to doing her landscaping and keep doing regular fert and spray elsewhere

    cultural practices yes, i promote it as much as possibly

    but she had them for 5 years and the lawn was filled with weeds, so i was just curios if organic guys actually used something to target weeds

    or if they just relied on building a healthy stand of turfgrass
  9. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster LawnSite Member
    from Utah
    Messages: 217

    I hate it also but this customer makes it very well worth my time im talking like 4 times the reg rates
  10. Ric

    Ric LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,969

    Interesting Fact about Tree Hugger I have experienced. Let them get Fleas or Tick etc inside the house. They really don't care what you use to get rid of their pests.

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