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Organica 4 Step Lawn Care Program

Discussion in 'Organic Lawn Care' started by 4-Seasons, Apr 15, 2009.

  1. Marcos

    Marcos LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,720

    Truthfully, that's how some of the best salesmen launch new careers, WBO.
    They innocently start pushing something they really believe in on the 'net, get noticed by someone key in the parent organization, get invited to lunch...:)

    The Organica Plant Growth Activator is probably very similar to the hydroponic grade mycorr I get from Fungi Perfecti out of Washington state.
    I'll put them on the list to call when I'm getting stocked up for seed season,
    but the deal I get from Paul Stamets will be tough to beat.
  2. Marcos

    Marcos LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,720

    Kiril....be honest now.
    Put your emotions aside for one moment...

    If you locally could get CGM for around $15 / 50# bag, and corn, soybean, cotton seed, and alfalfa meal for a price range in between $9-$11/ 50# bag, you'd be all over it like a duck on a June bug.

    Say.... "yes". :)
  3. Marcos

    Marcos LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,720

    The biggest selling point for meal-based programs vs. compost-based programs thru the years has been the fact that we schedule more visits to the customer's lawn through the entire course of the growing season.
    The more visits, the more opportunity for both us and the customer to communicate with each other about problems, and the more chance to confront these problems before they're out-of-hand.

    Most consumers don't like to be serviced with just ONE big bunch of bananas, only to be left out on the island to starve for a time, especially while they can look across the water and see the family on the island next door happily getting regular shipments of bananas.

    We've found out the hard way thru the years that this is exactly the feeling that some of the 'compost only' customers go through.
    They get medium term results from the topdressing, but often don't know where to go from there unless they are led by the hand, to a certain extent.

    And as the business has evolved even further over time, more & more folk are selecting 2 meal apps in the spring and a topdressing in the late summer / early fall that (hopefully:)) can be loosely coordinated with useful stuff like renovation / aeration / endomycorr sprays, when & where they are applicable.
  4. Rayholio

    Rayholio LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,461

    Well.. Kiril didn't start this one.. but again.. I find a thread with as many posts as this.. There's just about got to be an argument with Kiril going on inside.. LOL
  5. Kiril

    Kiril LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 18,334

    No Marcos, I would not. This is what I mean by sucking it up and spread some compost. Is it as easy as feed grain in a drop spreader .... NO. Will it move the system towards self-sustainability FAR quicker and cheaper .... YES.

    The goal of an organic program is building and maintaining SOM so the system can function with little or no inputs. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either pushing a product or program so they can make a quick buck, or paying homage to the latest "fad", or are just plain ignorant.

    When are you going to understand this isn't about emotions, politics, agendas, or any of the other stupid things you and others accuse me of. Politics and agendas are for children and I have ZERO interest in them.

    Now what it IS about is providing the best value to both the client and the environment. If you don't care about the environment, then what the hell are you doing selling "organics"?

    I build systems and provide solutions. I emphasize using compost .... why? Because it WORKS and is by far the most sustainable source of "fertility" available. I don't sell programs, products, agendas, blah blah blah.


    Why do you continue with uninformed hollow arguments? Clearly you need to do some more learning. Let me help you with 1 word ........... nature.

    BTW, when I step onto the soap box, there will be NO mistaking it. Just ask mudpup.
  6. Grohorganic

    Grohorganic LawnSite Member
    Messages: 157

    Ok so let me jump in here,

    so instead of take a land fill bound product "trash" and divert it to lawns with the idea of stopping methogenisis and storing C the instead we should spend cash and lots of fossil based C in the manufacture of " products" just so that we can sell a "green" idea instead of really doing the correct thing and really having a sustainable land care program.

    OMG WTF is this that hard to get???

    and yes I have no power connection at the farm my home is 100% recycled and I am at present burning almost no fossil fuels at all, all recycled materials at the farm and the only "inputs" that get used are some poly resin and fiberglass, along with a blower or 3 that get used to make my ct brewers. after that its all C negative, along with the fact that I have made almost 7 tons of bio-char in the last months...

    try that and get back to me
  7. Marcos

    Marcos LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,720

    Bravo! Bravo!
    Excellant, Kiril!

    From now on, I'll expect nothing less than the following from Kiril the California compost nazi:


  8. Kiril

    Kiril LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 18,334

    And as usual, you continue to ignore what I have said MANY times in your one man crusade of childlike lameness.
  9. WannaBeOrganic

    WannaBeOrganic LawnSite Member
    Messages: 90

    Am I the only one that finds the whole issue of what's more sustainable way to fertilize lawns as moronic as asking what's the most legal way to hire a hitman?

    Unless you have a bunch of grazing animals most grass is ornamental. The other benefits of grass could be achieved using other ground covers that don't require any inputs, not even water other than what comes from the sky.

    In my area we get plenty of rain and irrigation systems are pretty rare and only come on during the summer, sometimes never at all. Most people that do water either hand water or occasionally throw out a hose end sprinkler.I can't imagine growing a lawn somewhere that experienced regular droughts and needed frequent irrigation.

    We have the ability to farm more grains. People aren't going to starve because of it. A few years ago I got a lesson about how some people are paid not to grow anything on their land when I was visiting someone's "farm". I asked them what they grew on the farm they said nothing. I asked what made it a "farm" the reply was basically you don't get subsidies for vacation houses. Makes me wonder what's going on with all these "ranches" some celebrities seem to have.
  10. Kiril

    Kiril LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 18,334

    Well, if you find it moronic then I guess you fall into the "paying homage to the latest fad" category.

    BINGO! Now you are using your head.

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