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Discussion in 'Organic Lawn Care' started by 4-Seasons, Apr 15, 2009.
40 mile round trips and no help can make that so
I guess the Fertilization is a hobby but mowing 10 lawns a day four days a week plus full maintenance with pruning and bed maintenance on some contracts hardly makes it a hobby. Gone are the days of working on the weekend except for equipment maintenance.
Is not 1/4 " of compost work out to 1100 sq. ft. a yard? I believe that was Kirls numbers.
In the future I will be sure to write a book as to to specifics as to my operation when I ask a question. I thought I asked the question to Kiril, and it was not how to figure my cost, it was what is the market price of applying compost at 1/4 inch
Feel free to put me on ignore I will not be offended.
DB, a yard of material is a yard of material. Time is not a factor here. How much does it cost you for a yard of material?
Here are some test results on compost. You tell me if it is enough because I don't know what type of soil you are dealing with.
http://southoldtown.northfork.net/Landfill/Compost Analysis Report.pdf
The microorganisms are already there. Provide a source of food and proper living conditions and they will do what they do. There are cases where you may want to kick start a system, but if you don't expect more out of your system then it can provide naturally, you don't need all that crap. People need to stop treating their landscapes like Ag and sports turf.
But you see, that IS part of what an organic "program" is about, building soil structure. Will the stuff work .... probably .... is 2 out of the 3 steps necessary .... IMHO they are not.
Maybe 2 years ago I ran across a video when I was trying to learn about organic lawn care. I think it was on safelawns.org. It showed to sets of soils under microscopic magnification. One from an organic lawn, the other from a synthetically managed lawn. The synthetic soil had virtually no microorganisms. When I helped someone dig in their yard, we didn't run across a single earthworm. They have a lawn service spray fertilizers and pesticides regularly. In my yard, it feels like I can't even pull a weed without seeing one squirm around.
You know that's not going to happen. At least not anytime soon.
I still think you are putting too much weight on the word program. It's just marketing for consumers that are used to the term. The program doesn't cut your lawn or water it either. It's just meant to be a part of your lawn management, not the entirety of it.
A lot of people seem to think kelp has benefits and people go to great lengths and sometimes expense to brew compost tea to introduce more microorganisms.
Out of all the consumer programs I've seen, this one seems to be the most interesting. I'm not buying into the program but the individual products look good where appropriate.
Then perform your own experiment. Pick a "dead" area and do nothing more than add compost to it. Monitor the microbial activity over time.
I beg to differ. With water resources becoming increasingly scarce in many areas of the country, people are being forced to rethink what they plant and how they maintain it. It makes absolutely no sense to push a landscape beyond what the site can provide for naturally. Regionally appropriate landscapes are not going to be an option in the near future, but rather a necessity.
There are very good reasons for CT in high production systems, however I am less convinced on its value in your typical landscape. As far as kelp is concerned, don't see much of that in a natural terrestrial system, so why is it needed?
Big surprise... Synthetic NPK = Soluable NPK... Need Micros for that?... Hydroponics... Need micros for that?... Does NPK in soluable form - feed microbes???
What is it about microbes - that makes one think that they don't need food, shelter and clothing??? ... Just like every other 'Living' thing on the planet... including us???...
Oh... that's right... in America we only need Cable TV and high speed internet... We don't need food , shelter, or clothing...
I doubt that there are a lot of microbes in my potted plants in the window for 6 months of the winter... What does this mean???
For the lion's share of folks around here (at least), it's not.
When all you're expecting out of your lawn(s) is generally a so-so cast of green, and you're O.K. with a little understory crop of white clover, etc growing within your turf, a 1X / year program using compost is just what the doctor ordered.
Otherwise, if weeds are indeed the ultimate concern, the turf had better be pretty durn thick to start with!!
The bar of expectation with the customer is placed on vastly different points, depending upon the insistence of the customer, in conjunction with the depth of their pockets.