outdoor fireplace

Discussion in 'Hardscaping' started by dstifel, Jan 18, 2013.

  1. dstifel

    dstifel LawnSite Senior Member
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    Customer wants an outdoor "bar" built with a cut in for stove a couple exterior stainless steel cabinets and a fireplace. The fireplace is where i am getting hung up on. They want a fireplace not a pit. WHat have you guys used in the past. Just soley a stone oven or is there some type of exterior fireplace i could from in and then stone around similar to what you would do inside. Price is not a concern pretty much looking for the easier route as the customer doesn't care so much about which route we go? Let me know what you guys have done pictures would be great. Thanks
  2. skorum03

    skorum03 LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 354

    My dad and I built this at our house, framed it up, and put it together. He bought the fireplace insert at home depot or menards I think. Depends what you are building though, Westin Wall seems to be the easiest as it comes to "building block" otherwise veneered stone isn't bad either.

    YardBros Outdoors

  3. cecilmac

    cecilmac LawnSite Member
    from nj
    Messages: 49

    Fire rock usa has some nice kits pretty simple to install
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  4. NC Greenscaper

    NC Greenscaper LawnSite Senior Member
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    Try El Dorado outdoor. They make modular units and the stone veneer for them.
  5. dstifel

    dstifel LawnSite Senior Member
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    Got the fireplace figured out does anyone know of similar sites that have bars in the same type of kit thing?
  6. NC Greenscaper

    NC Greenscaper LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 447

    This company makes modulars for bars as well. What did you decide with the fireplace.
  7. dstifel

    dstifel LawnSite Senior Member
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  8. dstifel

    dstifel LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 928

    Alright guys got some final numbers going let me know how this sounds. Running the whole thing at 25$ an hour which i know sounds crazy cheap but like i said its more of experience for me then making money and both the client and i know that. That being said i have priced
    fireplace: 2250
    bar: 2500
    Open shelter 16x16: 3000
    Dirt work: 2000
    Stained cement pad 16x18: 2000

    Do you guys price each item out like this or do you send in a bid that says x amount of dollars. Also i know i am going to need some wiggle room should i just add say 10% to each number for unexpected things i will come across?

    Right now bid come out to about 12,000
    Figured for labor and material I'm sitting at about 9 grand.
    Please don't tell me I'm a low baller and so on and so forth that is why i am asking for help on this let me know what is to low or high. I appreciate the feedback and the help. I don't want people to think I'm some scrub i am licensed insured pay taxes etc. just mainly do maintenance type work and am trying to branch out. Thanks.
  9. PaperCutter

    PaperCutter LawnSite Bronze Member
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    At $1800 for the fireplace in the link, dropped off at the street, that leaves you $450 to move it, set it, and I assume furnish and install a veneer. I think you're way light on your price.

    I'm not sure what you're doing for a bar, but I have to imagine you're light there. Four barstools, figuring 2' per guest, is an 8' counter. If you're doing El Dorado's units and providing the countertop and veneer, I don't know if you're covering your costs.

    When you say open shelter, are you talking a roof w/ no sides or a pergola? Last kit pergola I priced two years ago was a 15'x15' in untreated pine for $2800 plus freight, in cedar for $3800 plus freight. You still need to dig footers, supply concrete, and put it together.

    No clue on the dirt work, but the concrete price would fly here.

    I get that you're looking at this as an opportunity to learn as well as build your portfolio, and that's cool. You're still putting in the time, and leaving the customer with a finished product, and I assume you'll be standing behind your work. You still need to cover all your costs (which I'm a little worried you're not doing here) and you need to make something for your labor. If you're going to lose money on product and work for free, build a practice outdoor living space in your own backyard so you get to enjoy it, or do it for a charity and get the writeoff. Don't hurt yourself financially just to get something like this under your belt, because if you do this project at a loss you're still going to get called back for every issue, real or perceived.
  10. DVS Hardscaper

    DVS Hardscaper LawnSite Fanatic
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    Crawl before you walk walk before your run.

    This job is not a Job for a rookie. Start little and work your way big.
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