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PAR36 halogen = #1 lamp for outdoor lighting

Discussion in 'Landscape Lighting' started by pete scalia, Sep 30, 2007.

  1. eskerlite

    eskerlite LawnSite Member
    Messages: 222

    I cant get 1000hrs out of a par lamp. I cant find a good par fixture. Well lights are a nuisaunce. I have not used a par fixture for 8 years. What can a par do that a mr cant?
    Sean C.
  2. pete scalia

    pete scalia LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 960

    Is the Titan really more powerful than the precise? I did not know that. Is it that much more noticable?
  3. Chris J

    Chris J LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,843

    Sean, I hope you read the first post in this thread. If you did, then welcome to our club. It's called the "we don't know crap committee", and it is comprised of very wealthy and sucessfull business owners who "don't know what we are talking about." :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
  4. Eden Lights

    Eden Lights LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 805

    It's not a problem for us, but we are a small shop that provides a least some level of documentation to most projects. Plus it's pretty easy to look at the lamp and put the same lamp back in that you take out.
  5. Eden Lights

    Eden Lights LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 805

    Everyone must find a balance between speed and ease vs. the final composition. I can usually walk a art gallery and pick the most expensive pieces in just a few minutes just by the way that they look. We are trying to find our niche by being World Class in every way to our clients, we can always drop back and focus on production type work if our model doesn't work for us, but more than likely we will scale by have two separate lighting companies that focus on two different markets within the next year.
  6. Eden Lights

    Eden Lights LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 805

    When I get a chance I will post my lamp sheets, but I think the GE CC Precise BAB40 comes in at 525CP, the Titan BAB35 is at 780CP which just replaced the BAB40 at 700cp, and the Titan IR BAB35 is at 1000CP. To get a feel for how much of a difference this really is the Ushio BAB60 is only a subtle 270CP. While lighting is subjective and if a PAR is working for you then keep on. I will say that the GEPAR3635WFL is a very smooth lamp, but for me and my clients it's just to bright except in high ambient light conditions or very very tall architecture.
  7. pete scalia

    pete scalia LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 960

    Eden, When you get a chance can you post those lamp charts? Thank you.
  8. Eden Lights

    Eden Lights LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 805

    Pete, I forgot about the lamp charts. Sorry

    I still consider two main types and qualities of Landscape lighting.

    Those who spec Par's out of attempt to gain market share from being the cheapest guy around.


    Those who spec MR's out of attempt to provide quality outdoor lighting that they plan on standing behind and are providing their clients with a far superior product even though it may mean only doing the front yard instead of the front and the back yard due to budget constraints. In 3-5 years the price savings of Pars will long be forgotten and MR systems will become the least expensive system.
  9. JoeyD

    JoeyD LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,933

    Oh comeon Eden. I know plenty of high end installers who specify Par 36 Lamps. You know our Big Bang uses a Par 36. Not all fixtures using this lamp are well lights. I know you didnt state this but I can only assume this what you are implying.
  10. extlights

    extlights LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 439

    Most of the fixtures we install utilize the PAR 36 bulb.......Even more than the MR16's. Also...price is hardly a concern between fixtures with a PAR and fixtures using a MR16...i.e. bullet style fixtures...For us they are just about the same price.

    I read and read these threads and can't believe how many people don't like the PAR36 lamps. We've never ever had a problem with those lamps, and as far as designs go....I prefer a PAR over a MR16 anyday. It could come down to using those lamps regularly and not the MR16's. I can get just about any look I want using certain fixtures containing the PARs with different spreads....I can't say that about MR16's....again I don't use them much though. To each their own...go with what works. We use mainly PARs and we are hardly the cheapest guy around or a bunch hacks.....we usually clean up everyone else's mess around here.

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