pay for top guys??

Discussion in 'Hardscaping' started by vtscaper, Jul 30, 2012.

  1. DVS Hardscaper

    DVS Hardscaper LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 6,623

    Ok, in that case, no more brand new trucks, except for the one you drive.

    Buy only used.

    All that money on new is nothing more than you working for the banks.
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  2. Gilmore.Landscaping

    Gilmore.Landscaping LawnSite Senior Member
    from Ontario
    Messages: 645

    I company around us was trying to pull that scam for a while. They ended up having to pay huge fines and various back charges because according to agricultural rules they were required to work only on agricultural properties. I don't know the details but there quotes are much more on par with the rest of us now...

    I know the nurseries around us are registered agricultural (and so they should be) but a few guys were pretty upset when they found out they weren't going to get overtime hours.
  3. SDLandscapes VT

    SDLandscapes VT LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 581

    Great post Chris

    To your defense--99% of people on here cannot possibly begin to imagine the fragmentation and distances involved in what we do--the big money homes are all scattered apart--with a few exceptions. To put numbers to it in Minneapolis during graduate school our vehicles logged roughly 6000 miles per calendar year (landscaping/snow) I ve put 47000 on one truck in three years with little to no winter work/driving--And I have a shop that is somewhat centrally located. Anything to reduce mileage

    To the unemployment Chris--how many of your guys collect during the winter?

    The system here is so abused with people paying unreported cash for snow work so workers can still collect--as a result snow rates are well lower than other markets--to a point where you have to have exactly the right accounts and equipment combinations in conjunction with an incredible client relationship--there are some very very interesting plow/seasonal maintenance pricing schemes here.

    I am developing a salary style system for everyone--probably will take a back burner till winter and I need to find at least 2-3 more people.....
  4. cecilmac

    cecilmac LawnSite Member
    from nj
    Messages: 49

    Really 401 k matching brand new truck free fuel, and still wants more... there has to be a point where it stops .. btw a salaried here in nj is not aloud to wrk in the feild.. but look at it this way no more raises.... pay them a bonus such as 10 cash for every hr they beat the target job hrs .. some ppl do not know how good they have it ...
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  5. SDLandscapes VT

    SDLandscapes VT LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 581

    True salary is not allowed in the field--however you can take and estimate labor hours for the season

    and then divide evenly for 52 weeks--gets paid weekly all year works for 30ish weeks. Overtime must be added to the weekly check and the checks must reflect more than minimum wage for hours worked not including overtime
  6. SDLandscapes VT

    SDLandscapes VT LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 581

    A true salaried employee cannot be performing the same tasks of those he manages over a certain percentage of the work week.
  7. muddywater

    muddywater LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,813

    is that enforceable?
  8. SDLandscapes VT

    SDLandscapes VT LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 581 grad school employer paid all crew leads true salary and they received a fine and had to restructure the pay
  9. Meredithrjc

    Meredithrjc LawnSite Member
    Messages: 2

    Here are a few items from the HR point of view and remember these are NC might have to look into it for your individual state.

    Re: businesses being agriculture...we have a nursery and landscaping business all under the same roof. We can technically NOT pay our nursery workers overtime because they are working in a single location, on a farm so to speak and they are working with products that are 100% propagated and raised on OUR "farm". If any materials coming in from another nursery or farm, you have to pay OT...thats the way I understand it. The landscapers do NOT fall under that same umbrella.

    Re: Salaried vs non-salaried...somewhere on your states dept of labor website you should be able to find info on "tests for exemption." Simply put, this is a list of guidelines your employee would have to fall under in order to qualify as an exempt employee. NC says the following for Executive Employee Exemption:
    #1 compensated on a salary basis at a rate of at least $455 per week
    #2 Primary duty is management of the enterprise in which the employee is employed or of a customarily recognized department or subdivision thereof
    #3 Customarily and regularly directs the work of two or more other employees
    #4 has the authority to hire or fire other employees or whose suggestions and recommendations as to the hiring, firing, advancement, promotion or any other change of status of other employees are given particular weight.

    I know thats all very wordy but I hope it helps...
  10. vtscaper

    vtscaper LawnSite Member
    Messages: 159

    Thanks guys!

    there seems to be some grey with the law around salaried employees here in VT.. Ill have to do some more reading..

    Does anyone pay there guys throughout the winter no matter what. Say 40 hrs a week wether it snows or not??

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