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Perkins Engine Failure

Discussion in 'Heavy Equipment & Pavement' started by Mulchin Larry, Feb 19, 2008.

  1. Mulchin Larry

    Mulchin Larry LawnSite Member
    from georgia
    Messages: 17

    The Perkins 1104 in my ASV RC-100 started making a god awful knocking sound last week while we were mulching a tract for one of the local timber companies. We loaded it up and took it to the shop. After pulling the motor and breaking it down, we found out that it had the #3 rod sticking thru both sides of the engine block:confused:. Looks like the bearing failed, causing the piston to get more clearance, causing it to knock into the head until it broke the rod and sent it thru the block. So now the engine is shot and is going to need to be replaced.

    Luckily it is still under warranty, just waiting on Perkins to say whether they will cover it or not. :dizzy: At the time of the failure, and through all of the other 600 hours, the motor has had plenty of fresh oil in it. I have babied it as much as you can for the work it has done and kept up with all the maintenance. Has anyone ever dealt with Perkins warranty department or had any other similar problems out of there motors?

    This down time is taking a big ole bite out of my backside:cry:
  2. rutwad

    rutwad LawnSite Member
    from Alabama
    Messages: 179

    Buy a motor and get back to work. Perkins should reimburse you. It took 3 months for me to get a starter warrantied through Perkins.
  3. Gravel Rat

    Gravel Rat LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 9,544

    That is surprising because Perkins is a decent engine or you can call them Perkapillar now that Clatterpillar owns Perkins.

    It sounds like a factory defect there is no way you could stuff a rod through the side with that little hours.

    Good Luck :laugh:
  4. john_bud

    john_bud LawnSite Member
    Messages: 32

    Was looking at Rayco equipment with the oil cooled Duetz. There is a LOT a lot A LOT of them with new engines between 400 and 1200 hours.

    Makes me wonder if mulching is that hard on the engine? Or is it poor cooling leading to overheating and SED (Sudden Engine Death).

  5. wanabe

    wanabe LawnSite Senior Member
    from So. IL
    Messages: 943

    How many hours are on it? Did any coolant ever get in the oil(headgasket, sleeve, ect). Something had to cause this......
  6. BIGBEN2004

    BIGBEN2004 LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 823

    My buddies Cat 257B with about 900 Hrs on it blew a rod though the side of the block on his also. It did the same thing, started a slight knock sound that got worse in about 1hour of continued use. The Cat dealer said it was still under warranty and to bring it in. He unloaded it in their parking lot and began driving it around to the back of the shop and BANG. He walked in and told them it stopped. They came out with a forklift and picked it up and carried it in the shop. They had it back to him in about a week. It was used easy from day one and still blew up. Good thing it was under warranty since they said it would of cost him around $14,000 for the engine and labor to replace it. Usually those engines are known as hard starters in the winter but now they are starting to get a rape sheet of blowing up. Not good for Cat.
  7. bobcat_ron

    bobcat_ron LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,131

    That's why Cat has the SOS programs in place, it saved my brother from thousands of dollars in downtime and repairs, no biggie either, take the sample kit and follow the directions, I'm getting everything on my Cat done at 100 hours.
  8. ksss

    ksss LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 7,151

    The engine is making 100 or so hp and over 300 foot/pounds of torque. I suspect that it is tuned higher than what it can reliably put out. That said the 257 that is mentioned in this thread is not a high hp engine. It may have just let go. I have heard of a lot of turbo problems with these engines.
  9. Digdeep

    Digdeep LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,840

    That 4.4L engine is rated for up to 115hp and is in thousands of CATs Backhoes and telehandlers not to mention thousands of other manufacturers machines. I don't think it would be sold in that configuration of hp and torque if Perkins didn't think it would handle it. If it was why would they offer a 2 year 2000 hour warranty.
  10. Construct'O

    Construct'O LawnSite Bronze Member
    from Sw Iowa
    Messages: 1,387

    Too me there is a lot of difference in the same engine running in a backhoe and a telehandler!!!!!!!

    Compared to a ASV with the muchler attachment on it.The grinding away at trees and brush is way tuffer conditon then you would ever see on the two machines above.

    It is like day and night ,no comparison :rolleyes: !!!!!!!:usflag:

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