Here is the idea -Customer works from home -Has trees (Maples I believe, went out there early SP) that are causing grass to not grow -Place from where she works looks directly at this area where grass is not growing -Wants something that is pleasant to look at during the day while she works My initial idea was some sort of woodland planting along the whole back due to the intense shade it would receive. the front and back of the trees receive about 1/2 sun and minimal sun in the middle ground. The existing crab apple will be removed, it was planted way to close to the maple and spruce and is being taken over. so this area will receive the most sun. As we were talking, she said she would entertain the idea of some sort of water feature. Im thinking a pondless would work perfect here as something great to look at during the day and wont need a whole bunch of sun like a normal pond. On top of that there is already about 4-5' of drop. The only problem is the existing maple tree and its roots. Im wondering how you guys think a pondless would work in this situation. Im thinking a small boulder wall with the pondless going through the middle of it, ending on the near the flats of the yard. Im thinking the spruces wont be much of a problem as the as pretty mature and any more width on them will require one to be taken out (the 2 are already growing into each other. How would you tackle this? The pondless were sit just outside the canopy of the maple so Im thinking minimal root damage would be done. I was also entertaining the thought of double lining it (in addition to the normal barrier) or possibly creating some sort of 1'deep root barrier between the pondless and maple.