pool bull nose

Discussion in 'Hardscaping' started by wellbuilt, Jun 2, 2012.

  1. wellbuilt

    wellbuilt LawnSite Senior Member
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    Ive had a few calls for paver installation around in ground pools ?
    I do lots of patios, walks, an drive ways but never a pool bull nose or couping ?
    I think i would pour a concrete footer around the pool area and set the edge in thin set .
    The owner would like 18"x18" slabs on a very round pool ?
    Whats the best way to bull nose the pool area ? John
  2. SVA_Concrete

    SVA_Concrete LawnSite Senior Member
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    Pour a concrete footer like you are saying. The top elevation of the footer should match the top elevation of the pool wall or bond beam. Epoxy the coping stones in place.
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  3. DVS Hardscaper

    DVS Hardscaper LawnSite Fanatic
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    First you need to know if the pool is gunite or steel frames with vinyl liner. 2 different worlds.

    Not sure about why you wanna do footers?? If it's a gunite or concrete pool (either are the same in terms of what it matters for pavers) - the walls are already below frost level. You simply veneer the coping to the top of the walls. There should be a coping there now. If you remove it - you're most likely gonna disturb the tile. Do you know how to install pool tile?

    If its a viny pool - again - different story.

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  4. SVA_Concrete

    SVA_Concrete LawnSite Senior Member
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    By footer i mean basically a mud slab around the perimeter to provide a substrait to install the 18 inch paver on. Typically gunite bond beams are about 10 inches or so
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  5. DVS Hardscaper

    DVS Hardscaper LawnSite Fanatic
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    So this 18" thing isn't a realistic idea. Customer likes it but he/she doesn't realize what's involved.

    Can that idea.

    A 12-inch coping is more realistic. That extra 6 inches is
    Causing alot of additional expense. That's silly.
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  6. Gilmore.Landscaping

    Gilmore.Landscaping LawnSite Senior Member
    from Ontario
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    We mortar all our pool coping down to a concrete ring around the edge. Mortar joints just like tile work between all pavers.
  7. wellbuilt

    wellbuilt LawnSite Senior Member
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    My wife received the call so i don't have a lot of information yet .
    The owner was looking for 18x18 slabs I think the coping is 6x 14 .
    I'm thinking fiberglass pool for some reason ?
    And i believe the pool is new .
    I don't know why pool guys in my area dont do a turn key deal.
    I hate to turn down work so i will know more tomorrow .
    Could you tell me how long it would take to install couping per ft of run or lineal foot price .
    What is the best way to cut the slabs around a install round couping edge ?
    We do lots of tile but no pools yet floors , bathroom , out side patio .
  8. zedosix

    zedosix LawnSite Silver Member
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    On average for a 110-125 linear foot coping install assuming the pool is not straight then it should take one day max. to do the cutting and one day for bonding.
    All of our pool work has been on steel walled pools with 30" concrete sub-deck
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  9. DVS Hardscaper

    DVS Hardscaper LawnSite Fanatic
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    It would probably take a rookie 3 days to cut and set stone.

    Plus a day to excavate.

    And a few hrs to pour the concrete.

    I spend more time around pools than I do patios.

    Physically what the topic creator is talking about doing can be done. But it's not a wise idea.

    The coping needs to be independent. If a portion of the coping is relying on anything other than the pool's beam - and that other structure heaves - the coping will heave and It will push on the tile under it.

    Now if it's a fiberglass pool - i'd have to see pictures to comment.

    Homeowners like to have grand ideas. As professionals it's our responsibility to bring them back down to reality.

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  10. jbailey52

    jbailey52 LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Great topic. Can anyone post pictures of a coping install? We are bidding a pool deck/patio around a yet to be constructed gunite pool. The only thing I m not experienced with is the coping itself. Is it feasible to have to pool company do this?

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