pool sank in 2 hours

Discussion in 'Hardscaping' started by jrmyj, Sep 24, 2012.

  1. jmacd

    jmacd LawnSite Member
    Messages: 230

    The outcome wasn't very good. First off be happy that your are not going back.

    I don't see this working in your favor. The pool guys will be looking for any reason to hurt you. They could sabotage your work, or just make sure that you look bad.

    If you have worked on a project were the contractor's doing the work don't get along you should know how hard it is to come out with your hide in the end. In this case no option but to walk away even if the owner wanted you to do the work, the pool work and the pool is reason you had the job in the first place not the other way around.

    When you first start out you have to take on what ever work comes your way to pay the bills. After some hard lessons, and paying your dues you will get to the place were you are picky about what jobs you do and who you work for. You have to be paranoid about every project you do, think about all the bad that can happen and CYA. This will come with time and experience, ( money lost).

    If it was easy everyone would do it.
  2. crusty_crab80

    crusty_crab80 LawnSite Senior Member
    from Alaska
    Messages: 426

    So..3 years later. What happened with the project, the pool guys, client?
  3. Gr8WhiteNorth

    Gr8WhiteNorth LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 465

    So can anybody pick out what was wrong with the installation? My mind goes through the steps everytime I see a failure so I can prevent myself from making those mistakes.

    Photos don't show that much, so I may be making some assumptions, but here is my best attempt:

    1. Wall below the pool: No sign of internal drain system or drain rock against wall face, inappropriate fill material behind the wall, no overland drainage scheme evident, Wall not designed for pool weight surcharge load.

    2. Pool: I'm not familiar with the system used here, but if its an in-ground pool, it needed to be buried all the way around to be fully supported. If above ground, shouldn't be buried at all. If hybrid, not sure what the expectations should be. Was the pool installed on disturbed soil? Did they get dig out the organic soil if it was present (soil test would have dictated installation requirements if native soil was inadequate).

    3. Balance of Hardscaping: Was the pool design able to support the weight of Quarry/Weston wall and steps so close? The fill up along the side to build up the patio? How does the patio drain? Are there internal drainage considerations for the Quarry/Weston wall to exit water and reduce its surcharge weight? Was weeping tile used around the bottom of the pool where it was backfilled? Did the pool design stipulate type or weight restrictions of compaction equipment or provide a list of approved fill materials?

    Curious what anyone else could add?
  4. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 15,285

    We didn't get a landscape job around a pool, and I am thankful.

    The top of the poured wall was about 18" below the pool deck\patio. Another side had a steep slope. 3:1 I would say.

    The pool installer told her she needed a retaining wall.

    We told her she needed a retaining wall.

    She said she didn't have money for a retaining wall.

    Gave her a 2 week time frame before we could start. She found someone else that could do it Monday. I said "No problem".
  5. ToddH

    ToddH LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,192

    No Kidding... Even if not liable the insurance company is going to tie up some of the GL.... while the case is pending.
  6. TheLugNutZ

    TheLugNutZ LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 410

    I know this thread is old, but as an insurance agent that works with a lot of contractors, I really want to point a few things out. Especially since we are talking hardscaping and engineering, and design.

    Unfortunately, thats not how it works. You dont open a claim on your own general liability policy, that would be like suing yourself, you cant do that. YOU sue the OTHER PARTY (them) and THEY turn it into THEIR insurance company. Just exactly like it happened in this situation.

    This is correct and VERY IMPORTANT. Your general liability will not cover failure due to design or engineer error. This is PROFESSIONAL liability AKA E&O.

    This is also correct for the most part as shown in past case history. Thats why you make sure the engineer overseeing the design has E&O coverage or you yourself do if you employ the engineer yourself (THIS INCLUDES 10-99!!)
  7. zedosix

    zedosix LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,665

    Pool installer made the wrong decision to install with no proper support. He's a dink
  8. CollegeMowers

    CollegeMowers LawnSite Member
    Messages: 119

    Walk Away. Actually Run!

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