Posting Regulations

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by lawnboy53, Jan 25, 2001.

  1. lawnboy53

    lawnboy53 LawnSite Member
    from Neb
    Messages: 69

    Guys, I need some help on this. Our State legislature (Nebraska) has proposed the following rules pertaining to applying pesticides(Includes herbicides, insecticides and Pre-emergents)

    1) Written notice to all properties that touch the proerty you are going to treat, 48 in advance.

    2) Posting the property you are treating 24hrs in advance of a treatment.

    3) The same rules will apply to spot treating an area less than 9 sq. ft. with a pressurized contaner of 1 gall or less. (I.E. Backpack)

    Is anybody under these restictions right now? How much did these rules drive up your overhead/ application price?

    Thanks for any answers,we have a hearing on Tuesday, January 30th
  2. I believe there is a similar rule on the books in New York. I'm sure some of the guys up in the Northeast can help you with info on this.
  3. ronslawncare

    ronslawncare LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 540

    they said something to the efect of that today in longisland,that the town of suffolk will only be using organics.
  4. John DiMartino

    John DiMartino LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,555

    Its coming here too,especially south of me in suffok and westchester/rockland countys.Neighbors of pesticide users have compained enough to get some action.To be honest I cant blame them in a way,down there they spray while your 10 ft away cooking on a barbQue.If they make it harder and harder to apply them,either they wont pay the increase and pesticide use will go down,or they pay more,so they get less applications a year-or they blow lots of money.Chances are pesticde use will be reduced,which is what they want and will get no matter what.
  5. lawnboy53

    lawnboy53 LawnSite Member
    from Neb
    Messages: 69

    I believe that the proposal here is tailored somewhat after New Yorks. I agree that some applicators are not near as respectfull of neighbors as they need to be. This also applies to granular apps of fert/pre-m, fert/grub control, etc. These products are very safe, used as directed unless you eat them out of the bag or graze in the yard following the application. I'm afraid the tree huggers are going to legislate us out of the industry.

    Thought- What if homeowners were required to do the same postings they are proposing for LCO's, I think this would go away very quickly if that were the case.

  6. powerreel

    powerreel Banned
    Messages: 481

    you think that's tough, try living in a major area with an endangered species, the salmon. they ( feds if species pop deson't recover) will rewrite everything even building codes, let alone pesticide use. i have studied and practiced organics and drought resistence for 5 years now full knowing of the choas that the future will bring. irrigation will be a thing of the past, i shut most systems off @ labor day after running around july 4, pretty good- still green presentable turf. we have a grub type insect here called the euopean crane fly that will eat lawns to mud- they mate in early sept- no water on turf they tend to not number as much, hence the lack of insectide or GREATLY reduced amount, most damage is way below threshold, insecticides do kill fish and by nature are bad for living things in the long run. It even looks like we may not be able to water this year with only 50% of normal snowpack, cali has 150% snowpack- el-nino year, this summer will be trouble for the biz with water restrictions- oh well. Anyway, like the BBQ post, people do get ticked when the tank is spraying when they're chillin'..can't blame 'em. people SHOULD use less pesticides and resources- it's right to do our part, that's called IPM, Farmers, have learned all too well about chemical reliance- we need a world to pass down better than how we found it, it's only right. It is going to create a business challange to manage the new world. Maybe the future holds a sub-division server that the neighborhood is wired into that will post on when you are sprayng and where and it is the homeowners responseabilty to update their file on neighborhood awareness...hhmmm???? For now, as the world changes- those of us who can't adapt will die off, hence social darwinism, kinda like your first three yaers in biz. you see 'em go down around you but you're making even more money then ever, same thing in a different way. homeowners posting ap flags will be the day...soon there will be nothing for homeowners to apply anyway! the people who have implemented the most efficent IPM plan will still be standing and make bank , and have made bank doing THE RIGHT THING, it's what's best for us all. the time's is a changin' or something like that bob dylan wrote once, i think, WELCOME TO Y2K...

    [Edited by powerreel on 01-25-2001 at 02:07 PM]
  7. Greenkeepers

    Greenkeepers LawnSite Senior Member
    from NE Ohio
    Messages: 695

    We have similiar laws for posting, if someone tells us that they would like written confirmation then we must provide it for them every time we fertilize. We also have to post for 24hrs "after" the app. and not before. We don't have anything for the backpacks.
  8. lawnboy53

    lawnboy53 LawnSite Member
    from Neb
    Messages: 69

    Mike, The proposal here is that you have to notify the neighbors, but not the homeowner. Hard to figure. Notify, post24hrs b4, leave posting up for 48hours afterapp, and they have rules about the size and lettering that must be on your flags.
  9. Currier

    Currier LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 564

    That answers a question for me... I have been thinking that I should get licensed to apply pest/herb. But I have a baby at home and don't want to deal with the chemicals etc... I have still thought it would make my service more complete. But I can't stand the red tape stuff. no way I want to pay for the test, license, insurance, equip. just to have some crazy legislation make it impossible to do.
  10. I would raise the price per application at least $5 for every phone call I had to make.

    The 24 hour pre application posting is nutz. So one will have to do a pre run just to put up signs. Then if quick storms come up and you are beyond 24hrs will you have to pre mark again? This will in effect double or triple the application costs.

    I would use some type of business contact appplication program that you would only have to enter the info once that would also dial the phone number of the other homeowners and left a recorded message. This would also keep a log for you to show to the pesticide cops.

    My question is how to you contact the other homeowners in the first place? Who is going to provide the LCO with the names and phone numbers of these people? Or do "you" have to go to the courthouse and pull them off the deedbooks then look in the phone book. What if the number is unlisted?

    Only lawmakers who have never worked a actuall day in there
    entire lives could produce such B.S.

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