A lot of questions come up on this, so I though I'd start a thread on it. It's hard for some of us to give real pricing on jobs because we don't know what tools and equipment you have and what is avaible to you. You also have to understand that some of us are in to larger installs and have equipment and tools that most don't have, So it might seem that we are giving you prices that are too cheap or not do able for some jobs, same goes with job sites unless we have seen what you want to do (on plans or pictures) we can only give you general pricing. Some people here use books to set their pricing others like myself have been doing it for so long that prices are in our heads. One thing that I have noticed is over management or micro management of pricing, they spend too much time tring to get every cost right down to the penny and not seeing the whole picture, case in point; I was looking over a company that does patio installs, they wanted to know the exact amount of gravel for base prep, then they would order just that amount, well if the gravel was wet they would run short and have to send a truck out to pick more up. This cost them time and money because they are not producing while that truck was out getting gravel. If they had ordered just a ton more they would have saved money and made more money, than trying to control costs so tightly. Equipment(Iron)this is something that most look at as a large investment(it is) but think how much time it saves and how many people it replaces, Labor is used one time, you can never get it back, equipment is paid for once and used many times over. Think of it this way one laborer's weekly salary is worth a monthy payment,that peice of equipment can do the work of 3 to 10 men a day this = money in your pocket. As a landscaper labor is one of your largest costs learn to do things faster, cut steps down, don't handle material more than once! Train your people to understand the job Don't leave them in the dark so if your not there they don't know what to do. Guys sitting around cost you money, keep them busy, have material and equipment on the job, don't have them run around finding little things that are needed for completetion, have it there for them.