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Program advice

Discussion in 'Organic Lawn Care' started by cenlo, Apr 26, 2004.

  1. cenlo

    cenlo LawnSite Senior Member
    from Ontario
    Messages: 322

    I live in Northern Ontario and have started a "all natural" lawncare company. I will outline my program below and would appreciatte any concerns or advice.
    Thanks in advance. Don
     

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  2. Hamons

    Hamons LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 706

    Well, Here is your program in a nutshell -- am I right?

    Spring -- 20#/m (3-1-5) = .06-.02-1.0
    June -- 15#/m (10-0-0) = 1.5-00-0
    July -- 15#/m (10-0-0) = 1.5-00-0
    Fall -- 15#/m(3-1-5) = .45-.01- .75
    ANNUAL TOTAL NUTRIENTS = 3.5 - .03 - 1.75


    Seems a little low on the potash. Also, 85% of its nitrogen is being applied in the Summer. It's slow release will help that (16 weeks I beleive) but I would still think you wouldn't want that much nitrogen being reelase in early summer.

    Do you really need to overseed annually on all lawns?

    Is 435.00 a realalistic price in your market? That over $100/app for a lawn that most would price at $30 with a conventional program.
     
  3. cenlo

    cenlo LawnSite Senior Member
    from Ontario
    Messages: 322

    My product cost are about $65.00/1000ft2. So basic program for 2500 ft2 is 65x2.5=$162.50+$60.00 aeration+$60.00 to overseed = $282.50 Therefore the program cost @ $435.00 less the $282.50 is $152.50 divided by 4 visits (minimum) gives me about $38.00 labor per visit. This includes the extra labour to deal with the weeds. (also fuel expenses). I understand the price is high, it is approx. double of anyone else. I am the only pesticide free company and I don't want to underprice myself to a point where I can't afford to service my customers properly.
     
  4. don't think the organic fert will last longer than 8 weeks!

    Way too much n in summer
     
  5. bioman

    bioman Inactive
    Messages: 43

    Cenlo,

    Go to the sponsors page and click my button. Then if you would like give me a phone call.

    Thanks,

    Ron
     
  6. cenlo

    cenlo LawnSite Senior Member
    from Ontario
    Messages: 322

    I appreciate the input. My C.G.M. is 7-1-2 (if that makes a difference)
     
  7. Hamons

    Hamons LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 706

    So that would change your program to

    Spring -- 20#/m (3-1-5) = .06-.02-1.0
    June -- 15#/m (7-1-2) = 1.05-.15-.3
    July -- 15#/m (7-1-2) = 1.05-.15-.3
    Fall -- 15#/m(3-1-5) = .45-.01- .75
    ANNUAL TOTAL NUTRIENTS = 2.6 - .65 - 2.35


    Still getting 80% or more of its nitrogen in the summer when it doesn't need to be fed. I see this as the main drawbag to CGM -- poor nutrient timing.
     
  8. cenlo

    cenlo LawnSite Senior Member
    from Ontario
    Messages: 322

    Is the 15#'s of cgm twice a season sufficient to control weeds? In year two I plan to use 15#'s 3 times! spring thru summer. Also will the verticutting in the spring stop any weeds?
     
  9. Hamons

    Hamons LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 706

    I have no experience or knowledge of CGM's effective controls -- but I have "heard" numbers that were much larger than 15#'s.

    How would verticutting remove weeds. If anything -- it will help them grow.
     
  10. TurfProSTL

    TurfProSTL LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 693

    Cenlo,
    Are you trying to avoid using manure-based products in your program? A similar nutrient program using manure-based products would run about $11.00 - 12.00 / M (excluding weed controls and grass seed).
     

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