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Proposal for 183,000 sq. ft. of grass

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by Derrick Roberts, Aug 13, 2002.

  1. Derrick Roberts

    Derrick Roberts LawnSite Member
    Messages: 15

    Hey Ya'll,

    I am currently bidding a commercial property that measured out at 183,000 sf. I am thinking that five guys could do this in six hours. Two guys w/e and edging, 1 52 inch Scag TC, and 2 48 w/b Scags. I have a good plan as to how I would use the w/b's. If this sounds right to those who have big properties or vice versa, please let me know. Any advice would be appreciated.



    P.S. The biggest property I have now is 79,000 sf.
  2. Runner

    Runner LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 13,497

    There is no way of telling with the info you gave. What is it? Does it have buildings? Much trimming? Edging? Beds? Hills/ditches? Actually, 6 hours sounds like a long time to cut just over 4 acres with all the equip and all the people you're running.
  3. AGG Lawn Maintenance

    AGG Lawn Maintenance LawnSite Senior Member
    from Elberon
    Messages: 422

    I agree with Runner. Give us more details. Is the area open and flat? Is it broken up into islands? Do the area have parking lots? Do you have to blow them off? Will it be done once a week Biweekly? Details Details my man. Travis
  4. KLMlawn

    KLMlawn LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 443

    Yes, you need to give more details, but I know that I could do that with my laborer, if it is fairly open and moderate cutting in and trim/edging, in about 4 hours or so. That is with a 52" and a 36" Stander.
    Actually, theoretically, with a 52 and a 36 both running at approximately 5 miles an hour (2/3 of max ground speed) at 80% efficiency (to compensate for turns and overlap) it should really only take about an hour to cut 4 acres, then add the trimmimg/edging and blowing. ... I did say theoretically !!
  5. Lawn-Scapes

    Lawn-Scapes LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,810

    Do you have 5 guys?
  6. Derrick Roberts

    Derrick Roberts LawnSite Member
    Messages: 15

    Sorry fellas,

    The property is fairly level ground. It is broken up into five different sections. One section measured over 2000 feet of hard edging. This is really a lawn cutters dream, no seriuos slopes. very small islands in each section, and hardly any weedeating.

    TSG- I only have four employees. I thought I would bring one more just to detail the property, like spraying round up,maintaining the appearance of shrubs etc.... He may not be nessacary. I say six hours because I want to make double sure property is ready for walk about with Prop. Mang.

    Runner- Yes, there is only one building.

    Travis- It would be a 52 week contract. Lawn cut 38 times. Blowing 52 times etc.. We are responsible for clippings discharged into parking lot and drive, we do not have to blow entire lot.
  7. Lawn-Scapes

    Lawn-Scapes LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,810

    I want to know how someone with four employees does not know his production times? I mean if I were at that stage I would hope to know.

    I cannot see it taking anywhere near 6 hours.. even with 2 guys.

    How long does it take to do your 79,000 sf property?
  8. Flex-Deck

    Flex-Deck LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,845

    You can do that in only 3 hours with one person. - With the Flex-Deck Attachment on a JD all wheel steer tractor, or Dixie Chopper ZTR (60" main deck + the 18" added Flex-Deck) that gets under trees, inside corners, and contour mowes the ditch out front with a 30" bottom - the flex-deck mows the bottom while the tractor is on the side hill) (See our web site and sposor forum for these pics) I mow a 3 acre yard with two rows of pine trees 380ft long and around 13 hardwood trees, trim 1/7th of a mile of drive, blow the drive, trim around 4 landscape islands + the house and two out buildings in 2.5 hrs, and that is one person, ME.

    Thanks, Brad

    One Machine - One Operator - No Workmans Comp - No Vacation Pay - No insurance - etc. etc.
  9. Derrick Roberts

    Derrick Roberts LawnSite Member
    Messages: 15

    Tom - No offense taken. This property is Very neat and clean. Six hours may be to long. But after I talked to the Prop. Mang. I figured out real quick that he will pick our work apart. I have not been picked apart in the four years I have been doing this full time, not fixin to let it happen now. Just wanted to make SURE I have adequate time to prepare for his walk about after every visit. Whether or not he will every time we service the property remains to be seen, infact ,he most likely will not, as per my experince with other blow hards. I just want to be ready. In all actuallity, four of us could do this in four hours max.(this includes picking up every cig but, paper, every shrub clipped of any runners etc...) This would be my biggest prop. to date with the biggest paycheck. When we leave the property after each service, I want there to be no doudt that we are worth EVERY dollar!!!! To answer your question concerning our other property, it takes three of us 1hour 45 min max. I generally run with me and two helpers. On certain days when we have shrubs to trim, pine straw to apply etc.. I bring the fourth man.

    I hope this clears the situation up better for you.

    Hope to hear from you soon.

  10. Lawn-Scapes

    Lawn-Scapes LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,810

    That's cool Derrick.. No one knows your business better than you. I was just shocked at the time you quoted. I was going to poke fun at Brad for basically just promoting his product but maybe he's onto something... needing more productive equipment! I'd hate to see you loose the bid because you think it takes twice as long than the next guy.

    Good luck!

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