Question about something Lesco Rep told me

Discussion in 'Pesticide & Herbicide Application' started by sniggly, May 4, 2005.

  1. sniggly

    sniggly LawnSite Member
    Messages: 190

    Monday I went to the Lesco store to pick up some 24-2-11 w/Talstar. The rep said, "I am not selling that this year, I only have the 18-0-18".

    Well I really didn't like that because the 18-0-018 was only .30 cents less per bag. The rep said, "Look - I am selling the 18-0-18 this year because you get more Talstar in the bag."


    I said, "Both bags are labeled .069% how are you getting more Talstar per bag?" The rep tried to explain by saying the 18-0-18 was good for 9000ksqft and the 24-2-11 (both with Talstar) was good for 12.5ksqft, therefore you get more active ingredient because they are both labeled for .069% AI.

    Sooo.....I tried to explain that they are both 50lb bags, which means if I spread either of the bags at 4lbs per 1K I am going to get 12ksqft out of either bag. I am paying only .30 cents less for significantly less N and a little less Fe. I didn't really go into my thoughts on the amount of Talstar per bag because I didn't have time to argue.

    I am interested in hearing what your thoughts on this are. I am tempted to make some phone calls at this point but want to bounce this off other ears before I do.


    GREENITUP LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 275

    I think the bs explanation he was giving eluded to when you are putting down the same amt. of N per 1000 using the 18, you are inadvertently applying more lb's of the Talstar per 1000.... Works out great for them - you have to buy more bags @ only .30 less each. I was told by my local Lesco guy that they stopped making 24 all together. He suggested using 32 because I just use the straight fert..
  3. LonniesLawns

    LonniesLawns LawnSite Senior Member
    from KS
    Messages: 317

    Well - he is right -- but fundamentally wrong.

    The rate of application ona combination product like this si dependant on the control product -- not the nitrogen. The label stated the correct amount to apply in varying condition to control varying pests

    The 18-0-18 is a beter product from an agronomic standpoint. You will be applying this product at at time when your grass needs the bwenefits of the potash -- now I'm sure -- coming from Lesco that the potash is MOP -- so I wouldn't buy i t-- but the 18-0-18 will reuslt in better grass than the 24-2-11.
  4. jajwrigh

    jajwrigh LawnSite Bronze Member
    Male, from Martinsville, IN
    Messages: 1,405

    Order everything through Lesco for details...
  5. kipcom

    kipcom LawnSite Senior Member
    from indiana
    Messages: 352

    Find another supplier...Lezco is full of BS and over priced !!! :cool2:
  6. LwnmwrMan22

    LwnmwrMan22 LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,373

    Here in MN you're not supposed to use Potassium anymore. All fertilizers are SUPPOSED to be "X-zero-X". Probably Lesco trying to mainstream their instore product to be a general usage.

    I know as far as Dimension, the only product my service center carries in stock is 19-0-6, .10%.

    I can order anything else, but they don't stock it.

    I would assume that with Potassium regulations becoming the norm, ie trying to keep algae / weed growth down in the lakes from run-off, that more and more states are creating restrictions, therefore suppliers will slowly start to faze out these products with Potassium?? As far as a stockable product??
  7. fertit

    fertit LawnSite Member
    from 97034
    Messages: 36

    I beleive you're referring to phosphorous, the middle letter in N-P-K fertilizer ratios. N-0-K ferts will be the rage.
  8. LwnmwrMan22

    LwnmwrMan22 LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,373

    Yes, you are correct, my bad.

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