Redmax bcz260TS vs Redmax bcz3060TS vs Echo srm3020

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ktoom

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I just tried out FS240r without guard I get about same length as echo 3020T but 240 definitely spinning a lot faster thank to hp but rather use 3020T cause it lighter…. However fs240r is on different level in power only reason echo 3020T able to keep up with fs240r cause of high torque gear, if without torque gear will not touch fs240r period.

I just purchased the torque head for my 3020... I bought the PAS setup and im gonna mount the gear head to my 3020.

A few members on here, have mentioned that echo and stihl share the same pattern and size in regards to the drive shaft ends. When im done trying the torque head on my 3020, I was thinking about mounting it on my fs250r just to have a little long line fun.
 
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ktoom

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Ive been thinking about how the 3060ts is lacking in power for 29cc, so I decided to have a look in the muffler and exhaust port. Here's what I found:
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If you notice in the first picture, the exhaust shield plate isnt matching the same size and pattern as the inlet of the muffler opening. Also inside the muffler could be opened up a lot more with a dremel.

In the second picture, you can see a beveled edge in the exhaust port, that is smaller than the surrounding exhaust port it self. This could be ground down on the sides and top... if you grind the bottom, im not sure if it will affect the timing.

The outlet tip is very big. The spark arrestor screen is pressed on, but it can come off easily with some power tools.

Just with these few observations, this machine is very restricted. Im going to do a little muffler work and make the heat shield plate opening wider. Maybe this will wake the trimmer up. Honestly, this thing is 29cc and it should be performing dam close to how the 3020 feels. Ive been on some of the chainsaw forums for years and learned a bit about doing muffler mods and performans mods, but by no means am I an expert or pro. I know exhaust back pressure plays into the design of things and how the engine perforns, but this trimmers exhaust is very restrictive lol.

I will report back with my find after I do the muffler modification.
 

Anthony6589

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Would it be possible to put an Echo 3020 engine onto a Stihl kombi shaft? I like the Echo engine better but I want to stay on the Stihl kombisystem. I would get an Echo pas system if they had an engine bigger than the 2620

yes you can with some of work like alittle bit of grinding before u can put echo on kombi system. Will take pictures. That how I put stihl kombi system on echo 2620T
 

Anthony6589

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no
But you can get an aftermarket piece that allows you to use Stihl attachments with an Echo Head and vice versa.

Unless you grinding it a bit before you put echo head and torque gear like I did and using original stihl kombi system can’t wait to buy another Stihl kombi system and put bigger echo head 3020 on it after grinding bit…
 

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Just an update on the muffler mod for the 3060. The only thing I have really noticed is that it revs up much free'er, but it still doesnt put it on par with the echo 3020 performance wise. I tried it in 10" grass side by side with the 3020(with a torque gearhead) and a fs250r. I also tried it in shorter grass that wasnt as thick. Here's some pics of the shorter grass section.
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The 3020 has the torque gear head installed and was able to run some very long line. I measured the length of the line and I had at least a 33" cutting width. The 3060 ran much shorter line in order to keep up. The fs250r ran line almost as long as the 3020, but i found that the power of the engine, makes the line bend much quicker due to the faster head speed, so you were better off keeping the line shorter.

Moving forward, im still trying to figure out if I like the torque head or regular head on the 3020. Im leaning towards the regular head because it allows me to run long line and still cut very cleanly and quickley. Its truly a great combo. Im glad that I bought the non-torque version.

I ran my redmax 260ts yesterday for the first time in a while. Performance wise, it feels about as strong as the 3060, but it is much lighter and I constantly noticed the weight difference when swinging or moving. I really enjoy this trimmer. I feel the 260t/ts and 3020 make a great one two punch!!!

Back to the 3060, I wanted to try it with a non-torque head to see if the performance was any better at higher rpms. I bolted up a regular gear head from my husky. The only problem i found was that the shaft connector drum, inside the 3060ts gearhead, is longer as opposed to the husky gear head, so the drive shaft would vibrate out of the drum and spin freely in the tube. I believe I will need a drive shaft from the 3050 in order to make this all work, so this is on the back burner for now. I also still feel that the spring damper in the 3060, hinder the performance a little bit.

In regards to echo gearheads and drive shafts, working with stihl equipment, i found that the drive shaft ends are the same, but the tube diameters are different. I tried mounting the gear head from my 3020 to my fs250r and it would fit. A little work with a dremel and it would fit.
 

stihlfan05

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The 1.62:1 ratio sounds like the most ideal gear ratio for that engine size. Wish Stihl and Husqvarna would switch to a gear ratio around there
 

Anthony6589

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Just an update on the muffler mod for the 3060. The only thing I have really noticed is that it revs up much free'er, but it still doesnt put it on par with the echo 3020 performance wise. I tried it in 10" grass side by side with the 3020(with a torque gearhead) and a fs250r. I also tried it in shorter grass that wasnt as thick. Here's some pics of the shorter grass section.View attachment 450983View attachment 450984View attachment 450986View attachment 450985
The 3020 has the torque gear head installed and was able to run some very long line. I measured the length of the line and I had at least a 33" cutting width. The 3060 ran much shorter line in order to keep up. The fs250r ran line almost as long as the 3020, but i found that the power of the engine, makes the line bend much quicker due to the faster head speed, so you were better off keeping the line shorter.

Moving forward, im still trying to figure out if I like the torque head or regular head on the 3020. Im leaning towards the regular head because it allows me to run long line and still cut very cleanly and quickley. Its truly a great combo. Im glad that I bought the non-torque version.

I ran my redmax 260ts yesterday for the first time in a while. Performance wise, it feels about as strong as the 3060, but it is much lighter and I constantly noticed the weight difference when swinging or moving. I really enjoy this trimmer. I feel the 260t/ts and 3020 make a great one two punch!!!

Back to the 3060, I wanted to try it with a non-torque head to see if the performance was any better at higher rpms. I bolted up a regular gear head from my husky. The only problem i found was that the shaft connector drum, inside the 3060ts gearhead, is longer as opposed to the husky gear head, so the drive shaft would vibrate out of the drum and spin freely in the tube. I believe I will need a drive shaft from the 3050 in order to make this all work, so this is on the back burner for now. I also still feel that the spring damper in the 3060, hinder the performance a little bit.

In regards to echo gearheads and drive shafts, working with stihl equipment, i found that the drive shaft ends are the same, but the tube diameters are different. I tried mounting the gear head from my 3020 to my fs250r and it would fit. A little work with a dremel and it would fit.

will sell my redmax bcz3060TS….. starting not like it lol…. Echo 3020T make that redmax look like a joke…. Definitely keep echo 2620T and 3020T.
 

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