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Renovating Entire Lawn HELP

Discussion in 'Turf Renovation' started by schamback123, Feb 28, 2010.


What would you do in your lawn

Poll closed Mar 10, 2010.
  1. reseed

  2. sod

  3. renovate

  1. schamback123

    schamback123 LawnSite Member
    Messages: 1

    I am digging all the old grass up and planting new grass seed. Does anyone know when is the best time to dig up the lawn and seed it. I live in Kansas City, MO. What is the best grass seed type for my area. Please help me.
  2. bigslick7878

    bigslick7878 LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 809

    1. How big is the area.

    2.What is your budget.

    3. What is the condition of the existing turf.
  3. bradleysch

    bradleysch LawnSite Member
    Messages: 5

    The area is about 2,000 sq ft. I don't want to spend more than $70.00 on grass seed. The existing turf is zoysia and I want to get get rid of it and plant new grass. Would rye and tall fescue mix work in my area?

  4. White Gardens

    White Gardens LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 6,776

    Ya you should be good with that mix in your area. You might get some summer stress if it dries out in the summer, but it would come out of it after a dry spell.

    Do yourself a favor and get some soil tests done to know exactly what the soil is going to need to establish it correctly.

    I wouldn't put down any seed until the soil temps reach at or above 55*. After that you are OK to do it at any point as long as you are willing to water it consistently to get it established.

    Make sure to also spray the lawn with roundup to kill the zoysia off completely. Even if you have some on the edges, eventually it will crepe back in, so be prepared to kill off sections of your lawn and re-seed every few years.

    BIOGRASS LawnSite Member
    Messages: 39

    zoysia is rather resilient so you might have to budget spraying it 2x with roundup
  6. NattyLawn

    NattyLawn LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,643

    The best thing to do with Zoysia is not mow it all in the Spring. It should go to seed in early summer, then spray with RoundUp, Vinegar or whatever burn down material you're using. Spray anything still living a few weeks later, then renovate late summer/early fall. Zoysia is pain in the butt to get rid of.
  7. turfcobob

    turfcobob LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 878

    The only way to get rid of Zoysia is to kill the root. Zoysia can put down roots way past the 3 foot level and the plants can come back. You are in for a long battle with this grass. I would contact your local Turfgrass Extension Agent from a nearby university and get their advice. Good Luck
  8. DoetschOutdoor

    DoetschOutdoor LawnSite Bronze Member
    from S. IL
    Messages: 1,818

    Put down some 5 way sports turf if ya get enough sun. Few different types of fescue, really hardy against the weather we get here in the midwest. All we use around here, 5 way sports turf and a shade mix. But like everyone said, kill off all the zoysia or you will be kicking yourself when that mess creeps into your fescue. Its all in the prep.
  9. bigslick7878

    bigslick7878 LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 809

    Never understood why people would put a warm season grass in a transition zone.

    Makes no sense unless you like your grass brown 6 months out of the year.

    And good luck getting rid of it like others have mentioned.
  10. White Gardens

    White Gardens LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 6,776

    See, I'm all about the renovation and the reason is compaction.

    Even if you kill the yard and overseed or slit seed you still have compaction issues that will rear it's ugly head when you are trying to get a stand established.

    I dig the crap out of it. 99% of the time there is spots that need re-graded anyways so just do a soil sample, tear it up, amend soil, re-grade, overseed and then walk over it with a section of fencing as a harrow and be done with it for 20 years.

    Or, if the buget allows, re-sod it.

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