Repair or replace Peerless 5-speed trans.

Discussion in 'Mechanic and Repair' started by davidcalhoun, Sep 23, 2008.

  1. davidcalhoun

    davidcalhoun LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,050

    I have a Peerlesss 5-speed transmission that will need the needle bearings replace this winter.

    Any advice for this job or should I just buy a new (or rebuilt) one?

    Anybody have a 700-070A they would like to sell?

    Dave
     
  2. punt66

    punt66 LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 8,536

    i would just buy a new one.
     
  3. jase4tiff

    jase4tiff LawnSite Member
    Messages: 56

    With my walk behind i replaced the output shaft and a few bearings its been about 5 years so i dont really remember but it wasnt a bad job at all. If i were you i would just check on what the parts cost and if you have a little patience you can change it out. If you see any wear on any of the shafts its best to replace them. Let me know if i can help good luck.
     
  4. topsites

    topsites LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 21,641

    I had a similar problem, that is, the Wb had to have a transmission.
    What I did is I ordered a new one, replaced the broken one with that,
    then ordered the parts to fix the broken one and set that aside.

    The job in and of itself takes an afternoon, just to replace the tranny itself.
    It's not complicated per se, it's just a whole lot of things have to be done.
    So I didn't feel like rebuilding the tranny while my mower was down,
    put a new one in it and be done with that, then deal with the trans later.

    This of course was two years ago, the broken one is still broken :p
    But in terms of operational machines, and it never hurts to have a spare tranny.
    And yes I have the parts for it, just haven't fixed it.
     
  5. Tharrell

    Tharrell LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,967

    Check out my recent experience with my tranny. J-Thomas is the place to get parts or a new tranny. Those parts are really expensive though. Let me know if you need the manual. Tony
     
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    davidcalhoun

    davidcalhoun LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,050

    Most places that I have checked want between $249 and $300 for a new trans.

    The least expensive place I have found is at Russo Power ($164.99) but they do not have the same exact trans.

    Is a 700-023 (old style) or a 700-078A (new style) interchangable with a 700-070A? Thanks,
     
  7. topsites

    topsites LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 21,641

    First off these transmissions should run right at $200...
    As for interchangeability, the simple answer is no, at least not without
    anything from a minor to considerable modification.

    As far as I know the biggest issue is the shifter mechanism, how that
    shifter sets on top of the transmission, the actual size and configuration
    of that fitting (some are hex, others square, etc) makes a difference
    and then some are bolted on while others just plop into place, etc...
    In some cases you can simply interchange the whole shift mechanism
    between the two transmissions, if that is your only compatibility issue,
    but it involves taking both transmissions apart by removing the cover
    and then you're removing a used part to place in a new tranny...

    The only other thing I can think of are the splines, and possibly
    the length of the inner shaft(s)...

    If you order the wrong one, assuming it will work, and then it doesn't...
    First you have to pay the return shipping, then things can get even
    more complicated if you've pulled it apart to see if you can make it work.

    So, no, not really, I wouldn't want to take that chance.
     
  8. topsites

    topsites LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 21,641

    I just checked some prices, looks more like $220-$250...

    Come to think of it, if you've got all winter to do this then a rebuild might not be
    such a bad idea, but plan on spending a day or two with it, if you don't mind.
    And it may not take that long, but...
    Because the parts for that needle bearing nonsense probably run you 40-50-60 bucks,
    plan on replacing the pulley as well and you're into 50-80...dollars.

    The only other question I have, and someone with experience in this
    may be able to point something out...

    What does the A after 700-070A do?

    Because the 700-070 is a pretty standard Exmark / Toro transmission.

    The other thing that would help is, what kind of mower is this going on?
    Make, model, year?
     
    Last edited: Sep 25, 2008
  9. Tharrell

    Tharrell LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,967

    Here's the 4 pages from the manual that deal with your transmission in particular. If you want, I can send you the entire manual-it's in pdf. Tony

    btw-You can get an exploded view from J-Thomas website.

    Peerless Manual 001.jpg

    Peerless Manual 002.jpg

    Peerless Manual 003.jpg

    Peerless Manual 004.jpg
     
  10. kearneywalnut

    kearneywalnut LawnSite Member
    Messages: 98

    I have a 5spd on my Lesco that has a sort of skip in it, goes fine, then stops for a second. Wicked annoying in the higher gears when you run into the back of the machine. As a result I don't use the thing anymore, I attempted to take it out to look at it last year, but I got discouraged attempting to get the output shafts off, the belts etc are a real hassle on my mower.

    Does anyone know if there is a certain part that would cause such a problem, it would be easier to open up the tranny and fix something than to take the entire thing out of the mower.

    I think pushing around the JRCO dethatcher shortened the life of the tranny significantly. I would say only like 300-400 hours on the machine.
     

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