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this post is entirely based upon opinion and observation of myself, employees, and the friend that was demoing the machine.

yes, thats right, i am re-naming this dixie chopper the Extreme MowSCREAM because thats all i wanted to do while using it.

the machine itself was a 60" 30hp Generac w/ silver deck unit and the "low profile" tires. a friend and fellow LCO was using it as a demo while his other chopper was in the shop(24 honda w/ 60").

aside from the seat pad, the comfort of machine was awful. the re-designed handles are waaay to far away and i found myself reaching for them all while having to "hold" my arms up. the controls are extemely touchy and take some getting use to although they are very smooth and easy push/pull. the combination of short armrests and the distance of the handles from the seat led to fatigued arms. im 6'1" w/ long arms and i couldnt get my elbows to rest on the arms of the chair.

i figured w/ the new low pro tires it would hold hills much better than previous years. in short, i was DEAD wrong. myself and anyone else that used the machine were sliding all over the place on hillsides and felt very unstable in general. the center of gravity on these machines needs to be lowerd almost a foot it seems when compared to others. side hilling capability was damn near impossible w/out some severe turf damage. we had to bring in the '02 and newer Turf Tigers to finish the hills that were impossible to traverse on the chopper.

the engine was very loud and ran quite rough for only having 8hrs on it. it also smoked upon startup wether it was cold or warm. it also was not very fuel efficient compared to comparable sized engines.

the ground speed is very good even though its the same as the other choppers i have been on and only a clocked 1mph faster than my personal '03 Turf Tiger w/ 29 DFI Kaw and 16cc hydro pumps.

the attempt to get over a curb resulted in a stuck chopper. the deck can not be raised high enough to get over even an average sized curb. it took 2 people to muscle the machine off of the curb and once again had to bring the Tigers in to take care of that part of the property. the deck would also bounce around from side to side in uneven terrain and leave an undesirable appearance on the turf.

the front casters would not stop wobbling on pavement no matter what tire pressure. we even tried running them completely flat and they still did it. on the lawn, they were fine and this would only be a problem in large paved areas from one point to another(to the trailer/truck, or anothe part of prop).
the cut of the machine on flat smooth ground was very good and it striped decent as well. we found the amount of clumping in wet grass to be excessive as well as the amount of under deck "caking". this left us cleaning the deck out every 30min or so, something we are not used to. also, the deck height according to the gauge did not match that of our measurement from blade tip to level ground. speaking of deck height, if it raised farther than 5" it would be possible to clear curbs better as our longer wheelbased Turf Tigers have no problems even w/ the deck only 1.25" higher.

the price of the machine was outrageous. $9200 for this particular unit and its very surprising. we paid $8800 for a machine w/ 1 less hp, fuel injection, liquid cooling, 1" larger deck, and in our eyes, much greater capabilities.

the shortness of the machine i loved. for going up and down hills that end in a ditch line, it was nice not worrying about the rear of the machine digging into the ground. this short wheelbase also became a plus on the trailer. we had much more room to spare w/ this machine on the trailer when compared to our Tigers.

by the end of the day, the parking brake cable was broken although we suspected it to be to tight from the factory.

the worst news of the day was when an employee managed to stand this machine up on its rear "bumper" while trying to scale a hill we usually cut w/ the Tigers. he was almost to the top when the front end raised up and kept going until the rear bumper stopped it by digging into the ground 6+ inches. the front casters were pointing skyward and the user got off the machine by rolling backawards out of the seat. his feet landed square on the ground if that tells you how tipped the machine was.


overall, we were not impresed w/ this particular dixie chopper whatsover. by "we" i mean myself, staff, and fellow LCO/current chopper owner.

i have my flame suit on and am prepared for backlash, lol, as this isnt the first post in regards to dixie chopper(s). the only thing that makes this one(post) different is i had other peoples opinion including that of a current chopper owner. we are all in agreement w/ what was said here.

EDIT: i didnt proofread so bare w/ me on the spelling, puctuation and grammar.
 

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So you were saying their fun to ride? Do wheelies on hills?

Sounds cool...

The seat does have fwd adjustment to it and that will change the whole layout of the machine, other than that, the gas sucking generac engine, the mower hasn't gone through much improvement in design.
 

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Good review. That is what these forums are all about, getting other peoples impressions and opinions. I really like my XW2500-60 D.C. However, I demoed a Generac-powered Extreme machine and was not too impressed. I only differ with you on two points.
The height gauge has numbers, but on the D.C.'s I have used, they do not relate to your actual cut height. They are just a guideline . Like 2 1/2 setting is a cut setting of say 3".
I have never found it to be a problem to get over high curbs with any D.C.'s. In fact, seems to me like they are easier to get over curbs than any other ZTR that I have ever owned. Perhaps the deck has not been set up right by the dealer. There is an adjustment that will change the max. height of the deck.
Thanks for your informative review. :)
 

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Originally posted by Mowingman
Good review. That is what these forums are all about, getting other peoples impressions and opinions. I really like my XW2500-60 D.C. However, I demoed a Generac-powered Extreme machine and was not too impressed. I only differ with you on two points.
The height gauge has numbers, but on the D.C.'s I have used, they do not relate to your actual cut height. They are just a guideline . Like 2 1/2 setting is a cut setting of say 3".
I have never found it to be a problem to get over high curbs with any D.C.'s. In fact, seems to me like they are easier to get over curbs than any other ZTR that I have ever owned. Perhaps the deck has not been set up right by the dealer. There is an adjustment that will change the max. height of the deck.
Thanks for your informative review. :)
thanks for the input and compliments.

as for the deck, i didnt dwell on it too much because as you said, it could and probable was, set up wrong by the dealer. im not familiar enough w/ the dixie machines to know who does the actual "setting up". i do know w/ scag machines, they come in a big crate partially disassembled. the dealers have to finish up w/ simple things but the deck is already set from the factory.

i know what your saying about the "guideline" deck heights as the fellow LCO says the same thing about his other dixie. but, i'll be honest, my scag ZTRs have always been dead on w/ deck height settings. i dont want guidlines, i want dead on settings w/in a 1/16th of an inch of actual, not 1/2" and i hope most people would. i guess it wouldnt be a problem for someone that mows every prop at the same height. for us though, we mow anywhere from 3.0"-6.25" and a 1/2" difference can go a long way so to speak.

im glad we agree for the most part on this particular dixie and im also glad your current dixie treats you well.
 

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Dixie has had a few "woopsies" with the Extreme Mowchine and it is being discontinued in favor of the Supreme Mowchine or so I'm told.

The front wheel wobble is the result of a larger front tire.

The Generac engine is just junk and everybody knows it. The Generac engines were designed to be used in a stationary position, not a mobile position being bounced around. Get the Kohler 28 EFI.

Dixies arrive at the dealer setup and ready to go.

The best way to deal with the height gauge is just to take it off and throw it away. It's useless anyway.

The last great Dixies were the 2001s. In 2002 they went with the "improved" silver deck that is causing them a lot of grief even to this day. They also stripped off the turbo precleaner and the extra oil cooler. They changed the wheel motors and that is causing a lot of burnouts when you back the mower up because they are too sensitive.
 

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I demoed a Dixie this spring. What I didn't like.
1. Between clicks in deck lift is 5/8 " needs to be 1/4" like every other contender. (this was the clincher for me)
2. cant stand on deck without it lifting up other side severly.(mine was delivered with deck chain off its gear)
3. Really tore up the turf on hilsides with the paddle tires.
4. They stripe great but so would all the rest if they were running blade tip speeds faster than OSHA specs, Plus the engine was running 2800-2900 rpm.
 

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I have one , and have some issues with the motor . But have to say I still like it because its a real production king on large properties .No one elses has an aircooled , gas motor in the 72 inch class that will mow with it .
 

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I was talking to my Uncle that lives in Indy last night. He mentioned that he's having problems with his LCO.

His # 1 complaint, "That large mower is tearing up the grass when they turn."

I asked what type of mower they are using, and he described it as a DC.
 

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its a shame to hear they got worse after '01. i dont know enough about the history of the machines, i just know what i have been on personally.

its always troubling to find out companies arent trying harder to move forward instead of staying idle or moving backward.
 

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Originally posted by Phishook
I was talking to my Uncle that lives in Indy last night. He mentioned that he's having problems with his LCO.

His # 1 complaint, "That large mower is tearing up the grass when they turn."

I asked what type of mower they are using, and he described it as a DC.
Its the L C O who screwed up not the mower .
sounds like L C O has some problems , choosing the right equipment for the job
 

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Originally posted by 1grnlwn

1. Between clicks in deck lift is 5/8 "
This is the most obsurd thing that I've heard of. Now you've got to add fractions in your head (1/4 or 1/2 is easy) to figure out the cutting height.

The review was great. I'd like to see more like this.
 

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EricELM has posted either here or there, about how he changed a few settings to make the deck adjustable in 1/2" increments
 

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MacLawnCo wrote:

EricELM has posted either here or there, about how he changed a few settings to make the deck adjustable in 1/2" increments

You should try and find that post. A few people would be interested in reading it.

There really isn't anything to adjust on the deck lift of a Dixie in so far as the height increments are concerned. It uses a foot operated ratchet that has nothing to adjust.
 

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This is great, thanks for all the replies and I hope we get some more. This is as you all know a big decision (buying a mower) and all of the comments will come in handy when I go to demo. I'll be sure to check on all of the things you didn't like. I or anyone else for that matter might not notice all of those details when demoing a mower. Thanks again.:)
 

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This is a great thread.

Nice to see all getting along and offering different views.

I will not nor have ever bashed Dixie, but I have many issue's from my past with the one I owned, which were only solved by me selling and going to Exmark.

It is good to see that the 2002 (which is what I owned) and newer are the one's that went south for them. Maybe the older units are great like others here have commented on.

I think its bad that the boys at Dixie cant read this and make the changes to keep up with all the other MFG's out there. Plus sounds like all the dealers are quiting them too. The dealer I bought mine from has switched to Grasshopper. Kinda makes you wonder when you hear so many dealers are switching.

It all falls under "Things that make you go Hmmmm."
 

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Richard, if I may search for it sometime, but the gist of it is that he adjusted some bolts in the deck linkage so that instead of moving 5/8", it reduced it to 1/2". He did mention that you loose some range in cutting height, but you gain the 1/2" increments.

DC updated their website, with their new machines for 04. There is still the extreme mowchine and the new supreme machine. It sounds like the sp is similar to the older xw series(hopefully). They still list the generic, but its now 32hp...i wonder if its even diferent from the 30 of last year. Will have to wait and see.
 

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Im new so go easy. I wonder if dixie got bought or something. I dont think that the early dixies were part of the magic circle corporation. I wonder if that is when things went down hill? I would have to agree the older dixies are machines that last and still cut good. The best parts of the mower used to be the filter system, bypass oil filter, and in my opinion the manual blade engagment.
 

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Originally posted by J lawn
Im new so go easy. I wonder if dixie got bought or something. I dont think that the early dixies were part of the magic circle corporation. I wonder if that is when things went down hill?
No.

DC has always been made by Magic Circle Corp. Art Evans started Magic Circle in 1980 at the family farm.

Lately, they have been trying to "re-engineer" a product that was never "engineered" properly to begin with.

While they make a good, wellbuilt machine, I feel that there are other brands out there where your dollar goes to pay for the engineering of the product.
 

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Originally posted by TLS
No.

DC has always been made by Magic Circle Corp. Art Evans started Magic Circle in 1980 at the family farm.

Lately, they have been trying to "re-engineer" a product that was never "engineered" properly to begin with.

While they make a good, wellbuilt machine, I feel that there are other brands out there where your dollar goes to pay for the engineering of the product.
Tommy,
You forgot the excellent factory product support thing!!! Nobody goes to the lengths that a certain manufacturer does.
 
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