Riders vs. Walkbehinds...my experience after one season

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by PR0 TURF, Jan 11, 2013.

  1. P.Services

    P.Services LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 6,319

    I find that really hard to believe that your paying less then $6,000 for a S-series.
    I can get top level fleet pricing and i know i wont be close to 6k.

    If your sure of that can you pm me your dealer ?
  2. EquityGreen

    EquityGreen LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 399

    Is this hard on the spindles? I would love to try. Especially in the summer when it should be mulched anyways.
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  3. TriCountyLawn

    TriCountyLawn LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,517

    No actually they aren't :drinkup:
  4. StanWilhite

    StanWilhite LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,397

    I was thinking the same thing while reading this.
  5. Snapper Jack

    Snapper Jack LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 525

    I don't know what ranking"Landmark" is but they use a mix of WB's and Z's due to the vast differences in the mountainous terrain in my region.
  6. Kelly's Landscaping

    Kelly's Landscaping LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,725

    Same here we pull out as much as 25 yards of grass a week in early spring and while that drops to less than 10 a week in summer the ZTR is a necessity.

    Hence the reason for me and big trucks do I need 4500s no I could work with 3500s but nothing smaller I need the ability to carry 5 yards of clippings with the trailer. And dumping has massively improved my time savings over the years from when we started with 1500 pick ups and got to spend 30 mins a truck emptying it with pitch forks. But we don't just mow and we do need at-least one truck that can carry 3-4 yards of top soil at a clip. It may sound expensive to run 2 big mowing trucks but its cheaper than running 2 smaller ones and having to own a 3rd that sits idle for most of the time. Also I bought my trucks with resale in mind at around 75000 miles with the lessons I have learned over the years on what trucks come up for sale and what trucks never do.

    Side bagging on a walk-behind is 3-5 times slower than bagging with a trac vac on our ZTRs. And when one of vacs goes down I get a nice does of reality and how much of an advantage having the vac is. And we see our income drop too 500-600s per day on that crew so the use of the bagger for us can not be over stated.
  7. SDLandscapes VT

    SDLandscapes VT LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 581

    We did bag exclusively as well--still do on certain properties or portions of properties because of landscape features, the house etc, and we just can t let clippings fly. We stopped as we realized how much time handling clippings was taking in our day as well as the injury potential for employees flinging full 9.5/10 bushel tarp loads into the one ton (I do have a one ton). We have seen a huge jump in turf health since we stopped bagging and have taken the heavy mowers off. We do have a walker for bagging and depending on growth will probably pick up a navigator--machines for exclusive bagging and that spread the weight of the bagging out and reducing compaction--as fast as a Z--depends on the situation--wide open a Z will destroy a 5-wheel mower. We don't have many wide open areas.

    But for the bulk of the season and for the long term (season after season) as Pro turf listed the walkbehinds are money makers. I m not saying what you are doing is wrong--I m just encouraging everyone on this board and in this industry to know exactly what everything costs and to price work accordingly. Armed with that information somethings that seem counter intuitive (like walking) suddenly make a huge amount of financial sense
  8. Snapper Jack

    Snapper Jack LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 525

    Would it not be more efficient in cost savings just to double cut rather than bagging and dumping all the clippings? or is it cuz you have high end cliental that demand this servive?
  9. SDLandscapes VT

    SDLandscapes VT LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 581

    we double cut
  10. Snapper Jack

    Snapper Jack LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 525

    Read your post above and I agree,bagging seems to rob the turf of nutrients. I have one customer who had her lawn bagged and since I've taken over with double cutting, she's commented that her lawn look's much healthier.

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