I heard they are going to ban it in a 2 or 3 years?
I am talking about here in ontario...
I am talking about here in ontario...
Rumors about oil based sealers...
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Looogie where did you hear that?
If they do ban it what are the reasons for the ban?
I deal with with a few suppliers and have not hear any thing like that. I have hear that the rules for carring and transporting oil base sealers may change such as double wall tanks instead of single wall tanks. I think BC all ready has such a rule but I could be wrong.
If they do ban it what are the reasons for the ban?
I deal with with a few suppliers and have not hear any thing like that. I have hear that the rules for carring and transporting oil base sealers may change such as double wall tanks instead of single wall tanks. I think BC all ready has such a rule but I could be wrong.
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This is, and has been a on-going rumor. It is banned in some places in the states, sure someday it will be here too. Many cities do not permit oil based sealer to be applied for environmental reasons. In Vermont, who belongs to the new OTC laws, you are not permitted to use ANY oil based product with more than 250 grams of VOCs. Who knows what regulations they will write up here.
Yeah like shep says this has been going on for ages, I hear it all the time over here too for the past 7-8 years since I started. I would not worry about it too much, my brother does sealing around the Stratford/Woodstock area in ontario and hes been hearing it for years too.
If they do decide to ban it, then ill start spraying something else no biggy.
If they do decide to ban it, then ill start spraying something else no biggy.
i was told is was already banned in ny. I do not know anything about sealcoating can you use an oil based seal coat then next time use a water based coat. iwanted oil but was told not in ny and that once there is an oil base coat you can never apply a water base coat was this true?
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LOL right on time with your post! Glad we don't have Gypsies up here in Canada.
I am thinking upgrading my homemade system, I may go down to protect and get some prices.
What else can that system spray? Nothing I can think of?
People have been spraying it here for decades and nobody is getting out of town, unless they are expanding thier business.
Who would be the one making the regulations, the city?
most of my customers feel the same way
oil penatrates the asphalt where CT AE coats the surface and protects from the elements. you do not sealcoat with oil... Oil is very slippery when it rains. I have heard alot of horror stories from my customers who had the local gypsie seal there driveway with oil.. The best ever was this week when I was picking up some CT, the owner of the buisness was telling me how that local gypsie was in a few days earlier buying AE and cut it with about 80 pecent water and than put the "magic paint" into his square tank, he was trying to impress the guy.. And yes NY has banned gilsonite, sorry guys...
ews...
95% of the market here is oil based and because of that the companies in canada have developed a great oil based sealer.
Nobody has ever been sued for a slip and fall accident because of oil based sealer in canada.
the oil we use is not the stuff those fly by night guys use
not to mention, I heard AE causes spider cracks over time, and I have seen many many drives that have spider cracks and have been sprayed with AE in the past.
95% of the market here is oil based and because of that the companies in canada have developed a great oil based sealer.
Nobody has ever been sued for a slip and fall accident because of oil based sealer in canada.
the oil we use is not the stuff those fly by night guys use
not to mention, I heard AE causes spider cracks over time, and I have seen many many drives that have spider cracks and have been sprayed with AE in the past.
In my area we only use oil too and no ive never been sued and no its not an ice ring after. Around here we start getting snow in october and it gets up to minus 45 , the winters are very dry and AE looks like a dried up mud hole after 1 winter it just cracks everywhere. What Im saying is what works best in one area aint always best everywhere else.
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Maybe you got a poor job; or do you think the "shiny" looks good? You can apply conventional sealers where they will shine, but it's not as good as the right way.
Second and most important, why would you seal your driveway again so soon? Sealcoating on a driveway should last ~5+ years except for scrapes from snowplows or stains from fertilizer or such.
ANY "contractor" that says you need to sealcoat every year is a scammer or at least doesn't have a clue what they are doing and should be avoided!
Sealcoating should last 3 years minimum on high traffic retail locations. All good sealers are designed for that magic "3 year" mark. So on a driveway with far less traffic the wear doesn't come from traffic but just weather, so it should last far longer than say a shopping center.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "OIL BASED" SEALER!!:hammerhead:
Oil dissolves asphalt so if there was it would simply dissolve the pavement. There are 3 types. Coal Tar based,Asphalt Based, and Gilsonite based. The 1st 2 can be made either as emulsions (suspended in water) or solvented (dissolved in a solvent, with asphalt this is called "cutback"). Gilsonite is a mineral (like a rock) so it can only be dissolved in solvent.
The solvent used is universally Naphtha. That is the reason 13 NE states from Virginia "up" (so yes NY and PA and all the others in there) have banned it's use. It is for environmental & safety reasons. (Naphtha is paint thinner-it blows up, sealer with it is usually ~40% naphtha )
Now the problem is the 13 states (members of the OTC) agreed to all pass the same law BUT some didn't do well at saying who was responsible for enforcement. (you may not legally even transport it into or possess it in those 13 states-much less apply it)
So in some states it is strictly enforced but in some states it's enforced in places-not in others and some states are still not enforcing it because the legislature didn't say whose duty it was. This affects all 3 sealers if used with solvents since it's virtually impossible to get the solvent level below legal levels & still make sealer.
Most people call Gilsonite based sealer "oil based" because of the naphtha and years of "habit" although there is no oil in it. Since the others can be safely and easily emulsified (suspended in water) it's much safer, less expensive, and thus far more common to see them in emulsion form).
To properly apply Gilsonite it must be used in a heated sprayer and applied very thin because like oil the naphtha can dissolve the asphalt if applied too thick. BUT if can be "cut" with diesel and sprayed with anything. It cannot be used with sand so specialized equipment and sand agitation/mixing/pumping systems are not needed. (Emulsion Sealcoat rig $10k-$30k Gilsonite rig less than $3k new) Thus it became the favorite of the
travelers" or "gypsies". When diesel was cheap they could thin it way down and 1 small tank in a pick-up would do dozens of driveways and they would need to be done yearly. Also it won't freeze and ruin. So it can be used in colder weather & they can work longer.
So get what you will but the solvented sealers are on their way out because they are explosive and can be hazardous when spilled (EPA damage like a cheap tank in a wreck, it's like an oil or gas spill) and it's terrible for air quality (thus the 13 OTC states ban).
They are also slicker than imaginable especially when wet. I would advise anyone getting a driveway sealed to get either asphalt or coal tar emulsion, preferably with 3-5% of a good additive or modifer and a minimum of 3lbs. sand per gallon (4 or 5 is better) which will increase traction (not slippery) and increase durability. With a contractor that will offer a 2 year written warranty (and who is local, been in your phone book several years, etc. Remember these days the travelers can get those throwaway cell phones for $30 and have a local phone number everywhere they go--so see the location, ask for BBB or NPCA membership or similar -- whatever not just that they have a local number they answer.) You might accept a one year warranty but ask the contractor why he won't go two...there is no reason not to if you as a customer understand that the warranty doesn't cover scrapes from snow blowers or plows or stains or such on top of the sealer.
But if a contractor says "I use oil based" or "I use water based" then use another contractor. If they are not good enough or don't know enough to use the proper terminology for their "trade" you don't want to hire them.
This is a landscape forum and I'm sure if you were asked "what type fertilizer is that and why are you using it and you said "a 10-20-40 and explained what those numbers mean" (I made them up I don't know fertilizer) and they said "why not of "super-duper-grow" I saw at my neighbors?" You could answer about the products because you are knowledgeable about what you're using in your profession and why.
Don't expect or accept anything less for someone working on something far more expensive to replace than grass.
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Be that as it may its the common term up here and its just what everyone calls it.
Be that as it may its the common term up here and its just what everyone calls it.
I dont know what kind of "solvented sealers" you checked out before but the stuff I use is not "slicker then imaginable" when wet. You can come on here and say whatever you want but when it comes down to it for you to come on here and tell me what I should use when you know nothing of my area or my weather conditions is just arrogant. If I switched to CT or AE I would be out of business in under a year, nobody wants it up here. So yes it may get banned and if it does ill switch to something else but until that happens I will use what people want me to use in my area.
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This happens in most every thread 
It gets old so fast. Seems some people can't understand that not all areas are the same, and they require different products. Some areas seem to have been so ruined by "gypsies" that they can not accept that this is not the case in other areas and countries. I laugh ever time I hear the " slippery" wording, or the " last for 6 months" as this is so not the case. I do apply both, BlackMac and CT, but CT is a hard sell in my area. Yes, people have the right to LIKE the "shiny" stuff, and they ask for it. It is not slippery, and it lasts 2-3 years, no problem. I wish that some would get over it, and come visit our areas and see for themshelves.
It gets old so fast. Seems some people can't understand that not all areas are the same, and they require different products. Some areas seem to have been so ruined by "gypsies" that they can not accept that this is not the case in other areas and countries. I laugh ever time I hear the " slippery" wording, or the " last for 6 months" as this is so not the case. I do apply both, BlackMac and CT, but CT is a hard sell in my area. Yes, people have the right to LIKE the "shiny" stuff, and they ask for it. It is not slippery, and it lasts 2-3 years, no problem. I wish that some would get over it, and come visit our areas and see for themshelves.I have a customer who gets his drive sealed every year for almost 20 years and it STILL LOOKS GREAT.
Have you ever used blackmac?
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