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Discussion in 'Original Pictures Forum' started by tthomass, Aug 27, 2007.

  1. tthomass

    tthomass LawnSite Gold Member
    from N. VA
    Messages: 3,498

    "We will be grading out all around the patio as I have 30yds piled on site."

    -ignore the grade you see
  2. PlatinumLandCon

    PlatinumLandCon LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,315

    But is the pad simply sitting on an agg base?
  3. mrusk

    mrusk LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,260

    TTHOMAS! I hope you are not letting us down here!!!
  4. DVS Hardscaper

    DVS Hardscaper LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 6,623

    hmmmm.....3 of us have asked a YES or NO question for Todd!

    And so far, we have not received a straight answer!

    Now, we all know Todd went to one of the top schools in the United States (Go HOKIES!), so we know that the reason he hasn't answered our question about a footing isn't because he didn't understand the question, as we know he is one of the better educated individuals on this site :)

    In this neck of the woods (the east coast), all vertical masonry work that is sitting on the ground must have a frost footer. One fact about masonry block work is it WILL crack. No! Not all the blocks! But somewhere, overtime, a crack will appear. Now take a job that is moving with the heaving during the winter seasons, and chances of cracking are even more previlant.

    I certainly hope that this beautiful work we're looking at has a frost footing. If it doesn't, I hope the job is located in a place where the ground never freezes :)
  5. stxkyboy

    stxkyboy LawnSite Member
    Messages: 222

    I was wondering the same thing about the job on page 34. It looks like the plan was a veneer and block wall on a dense grade footer
  6. tthomass

    tthomass LawnSite Gold Member
    from N. VA
    Messages: 3,498

    When I raise the grade I will in turn raise the frost line..........does this not make sense? Come on.

    No concrete was poured on an existing grade, everything was ecavated.

    Ignore whatever grade you see in the picture as it will not be as so in the end.

    The edges have 8" concrete (some places more)........the pad is 4-5".

    See the upper patio? There will be about 2' of soil there as I will be installing boulders to retain a 3-6 ft "S" shaped planter bed that will border the patio. Grade behind the wall will be raised.......1'.

    Additionally, structure consists of rebar, mesh and fiber.
  7. PlatinumLandCon

    PlatinumLandCon LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,315

    The soil isn't covering the patio... how will that make a difference...?
  8. MRBsx2

    MRBsx2 LawnSite Member
    Messages: 85

    There is no footing under the wall or the fireplace all you have to do is look back a couple pages in this thread and you can see it. It is wrong and it will crack as soon as it gets a small frost shift. You def cant build a fireplace on a 5" concrete slab and expect it to not have and cracks in the stonework..

    ...I know none of us on here like to be told are work is wrong,but this is not the right way to start a wall and fireplace out. You have got to be at least 36 inches in the ground with your concrete footer no questions asked.
  9. mrusk

    mrusk LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,260

    Todd I am sure you have a reason for not putting a footing below the frost line. Just tell us!
  10. tthomass

    tthomass LawnSite Gold Member
    from N. VA
    Messages: 3,498

    I've stated at least 3 times how its poured.

    I'm building the way I built under two masons with 45yrs combined from the areas local companies. That is why it is built as it is, with warranty as is by every other company in my area. Retaining walls go deep and to be perfectly honest, nobody in northern VA is putting a 3' deep footer as mentioned around a patio........I promise. I've seen some of those guys work that was 15yrs old, solid and only looked like it needed power washing.

    The slab is its spec'd thickness with thicker rolled edges of 8".

    Concrete under the fireplace is 10", reinforced.

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