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Saw Rochester, MN lawn co out flinging fert yesterday

Discussion in 'Fertilizer Application' started by DA Quality Lawn & YS, Apr 16, 2013.

  1. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 15,234

    I can remember the days when TG and Chemlawn performed 4 apps for their normal service contract. Then someone in marketing decided that if 4 was good, 5 was better, then 6, and 7 now? So of course, the window became shorter and shorter, because it turned into how many apps to increase revenue instead of providing the customer with a healthy stand of turf.

    John, not sure if you did, but I know many of the others perform 2 apps of pre-m because they do have 6 weeks of apps and can't get around quick enough. Again, a waste of money, time and not good for the environment.

    Like DA stated, maybe one has too much work then. What if a mowing guy has 16 hours of mowing per day but only 12 hours of light to do it, so he starts mowing in the dark and can't make a straight line or trim properly or blow off? What do we say about that guy? He has too much work, right? Or the guy plowing for 24 hours after a 2" snowfall. Or going around salting after the sun is out melting the snow because he can't get around fast enough, too much work.

    Too much work should not be an excuse for performing work improperly.
  2. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 15,234

    So, if a customer wants a fungicide application 2 hours before a rain starts, do we do it?

    What if the customer requested we ignore federal labels?
  3. RigglePLC

    RigglePLC LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 13,724

    Well I was going to try fertilizing too early...and compare the results to fert applied at the proper time. But the "proper time" is a bit indefinite.
    Is it still too early? 52 degrees at the moment.
    I guess I will have to compare my daughter's lawn with others in her neighborhood.

    I would like to see side by side comparisons of too early, just right, and too late fertilization with nitrogen.
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2013
  4. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,082

    This is where the propagandists are able to introduce CONFUSION... There is no question that a fresh app of N,,, almost anytime that there is enough moisture and warmth available is going to make it LOOK GREEN even greener sometimes...
    Instant gratification is NOT the objective... DENSITY is...

    I've noticed over the years that people who believe they have the perfect lawn(as you look at it from the road) oftentimes, have very thin density of rather sickly looking plants... lots of dirt space between the individual plants even to the point you could COUNT the number per sq.ft...

    Turf that went into the winter with adequate storage of nutrient/carbs will easily come up green in the Spring... after a couple of mowings the roots have generally done about as much expansion as they can do and the turf is ready for a good breakfast... This is helpful to feed the entire plant for its gorwth period here w/out taking energy from the roots,,, but should actually give it energy to INCREASE the number of blades during this period...

    The step step of progression is Summer dormancy and THIS is the time to see and compare... Look closely at the lawn for texture, density AND color during this difficult period ,,, then AGAIN in the Fall when growth starts up again...

    The idea of instant green is what sells the h.o. on the lie of healthy turf right out of winter dormancy...
    Check it out for the Season and see what you think... :)
  5. DA Quality Lawn & YS

    DA Quality Lawn & YS LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 9,280

    So, essentially we have a moral argument here. Either do your work ethically and scientifically correct OR do it to make money at all costs. I still choose #1.
  6. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,082

    I don't know that I'd place the MORAL blame on fellow LCOs because, in fact,, I realize myself that I've been DUPED by the so-called "experts" over the years...
    Companies like TGCL/Scotts etc. may very well be the culprits for disinformation about the benefits of their programs and,,, like the popular media,,, took advantage of our ignorance(lack of knowledge) and trust...

    Fortunately the internet came along and gave me access to a lot of information for me to think about, ideas to research and experiment with, then ultimately a strategy to put into practice...
    Of course the MOST IMPORTANT aspect of this information is the ability to sort out truth from error and sense from foolishness, in order to gain UNDERSTANDING...

    Which is why I appreciate someone pointing out where my thinking went bad, but am irritated by those who trash talk becuz I don't buy into their world view of "experts being the high priests of knowledge"...

    There's always time to think it through... :)
  7. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 15,234

    So, can anyone tell me what happens to fert\pre-m when there is 4" of rain one week, another inch a couple days later and then 3.5"+ a day or so after that?

    Mind you, turf is not even close to growing yet, as ground temps are still in the low 40's.

    Not to mention this gem from Michigan State:

    While other than the potential flush of growth which isn't good for the turf, there is the whole idea of being environmentally responsible. If the turf isn't using it, and with this amount of rain, it is just getting washed right into Lake Michigan.

    Good plan! :rolleyes:
  8. DA Quality Lawn & YS

    DA Quality Lawn & YS LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 9,280

    Mark - nice article and I agree. We would be in the 'under' here now too, solidly. Yet guys are flinging it.

    Oh, and how come you say soil temps are in the low 40's, and Riggle says it is 50?
  9. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 15,234

    I looked at my map from DTN, which is a couple days old. My mistake.

    They are higher than low 40's. Or were.

  10. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,082

    What is the URL for your quote here??? I think I like this site... :)

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