[puppypaws]

There has been all types of rumors floating around about cutting speeds of the Scag Cheetah. It was mentioned by many when information first became available that if the mower was moved into high range the deck would not operate. This in not true, and Scag believes there are people that will find conditions where the Cheetah will cut at the faster speeds, if this wasn't the case, this would not be printed in their specifications.

QUOTE:

Up to 16 MPH ground speed for more productivity

An for all the unbelievers, yes there are conditions this mower will cut grass at full speed, and Scag knows this.

 

[Huling]

Puppypaws: You are the king of fast mowing with suspension. Hope you get to demo one and report your findings.

 

[puppypaws]

Puppypaws: You are the king of fast mowing with suspension. Hope you get to demo one and report your findings.

Looking forward to giving one a spin, if I like it too good it may not leave.

 

[nepatsfan]

I have taken one for a ride. It was a demo unit and I definitely mowed in high speed with it. I am not sure of the cut you would get at high speed. I only played with it for like a half hour and the terrain was too bumpy to mow continuously at that speed but I had to try. As far as it being a safety thing or anything like that that the mower wouldn't mow in high, it absolutely did. It felt unbelievably fast. The suspension was awesome.

 

[demhustler]

if xr7 deck cuts at 15 in good conditions, velocity deck set even better for cut at speed

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http://www.scag.com/cheetah.html:
"High Range can be used for cutting in less demanding conditions, like late season cutting, laying patterns or cutting dry grass. Most general cutting is best performed in Low Range."

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anyway, pretty bold step from scag (could say cut-12, transport - 16 to cover S ...)

 

[ed2hess]

I took one for a ride today in the dealers parking lot and while the ride was nice across pot holes that deck was bouncing and banging like crazy. It was almost scary fast running the lot....kept thinking about what might happen if hydro on one side broke. It is fast.

 

[sven1277]

I am concerned about my employees having too much fun with the high speed. I wish Scag would offer either a high speed lockout or the ability to cut the deck in high gear.

 

[Clark Griswold]

If your going to mow lawns at that kind of speed they must be horrible looking lawns or you & the customer just don't care!

 

[SouthSide Cutter]

Still say you cant cut 99% of the yards that fast. I cant even cut biggest part of mine with a 29 TT wide open. And if the price is close your a dang fool not getting the proven TT. Still want to see these new trannys with 1000-2000hrs on them. Most people don't think of the cost after they are out of war. Its just like the new Ford Super Dutys if you have to replace a head gasket you have to take the cab off!!!! Now just think of that cost.

 

[supercuts]

Still say you cant cut 99% of the yards that fast. I cant even cut biggest part of mine with a 29 TT wide open. And if the price is close your a dang fool not getting the proven TT. Still want to see these new trannys with 1000-2000hrs on them. Most people don't think of the cost after they are out of war. Its just like the new Ford Super Dutys if you have to replace a head gasket you have to take the cab off!!!! Now just think of that cost.

our 29 ttigers are underpowered to begin with. the msrp is about $3500 less then the TT. i agree with your comment about worrying pumps lasting and cost, that was my first thought, but i dont think comparing it to a superduty is an equal comparison. my understanding is that the superduty's cab is made to be all quick connect and the dealer can get it off so quick and give the mechanic so much more room, they can do the heads quicker. not a mechanic, just what i read.

if this mower is reliable i think its a winner. the TT is too big and heavy. if you can get the performance out of a smaller machine like the cheetah or tiger cub, you'll have a great machine. i love my bobcat predator pro. well built, lots of power, smaller frame, 16cc drive pumps, its a good machine

 

[SouthSide Cutter]

our 29 ttigers are underpowered to begin with. the msrp is about $3500 less then the TT. i agree with your comment about worrying pumps lasting and cost, that was my first thought, but i dont think comparing it to a superduty is an equal comparison. my understanding is that the superduty's cab is made to be all quick connect and the dealer can get it off so quick and give the mechanic so much more room, they can do the heads quicker. not a mechanic, just what i read.

if this mower is reliable i think its a winner. the TT is too big and heavy. if you can get the performance out of a smaller machine like the cheetah or tiger cub, you'll have a great machine. i love my bobcat predator pro. well built, lots of power, smaller frame, 16cc drive pumps, its a good machine

What I am saying is can you take the cab off yourself? I can remove a wheel motor or pp myself pretty easy but I don't know about the new tranny. Not everybody can change heads on their tow vehicles or do work on their mowers the dealers do and it aint cheap. And I don't like the weight issue either but it takes weight to hold a hill. So I have 2 different weight mowers. And don't see how they are underpowered unless you just cut overgrown grass all the time. Everyone who has run my 29TT says its a beast compared to what they have run.

 

[puppypaws]

What I am saying is can you take the cab off yourself? I can remove a wheel motor or pp myself pretty easy but I don't know about the new tranny. Not everybody can change heads on their tow vehicles or do work on their mowers the dealers do and it aint cheap. And I don't like the weight issue either but it takes weight to hold a hill. So I have 2 different weight mowers. And don't see how they are underpowered unless you just cut overgrown grass all the time. Everyone who has run my 29TT says its a beast compared to what they have run.

I don't know what they've run, but a 29 on a 61" TT is definitely no beast, adequate, but no beast. The 35 Vanguard will come nearer falling into the beast category. Running a 29 against a 35 in heavy cutting will make the 35 feel as though it has twice the power, there is absolutely no comparison.

 

[str400ex]

so how does the diesel compare in the power dep. against the 29

 

[SouthSide Cutter]

I am talking a average yard not a hay field. Most of the guys around us don't have a 29hp. But they cut stuff just like I do. So there is no need to have anything any bigger. I am looking at a 35 but its on a 72.

 

[puppypaws]

I am talking a average yard not a hay field. Most of the guys around us don't have a 29hp. But they cut stuff just like I do. So there is no need to have anything any bigger. I am looking at a 35 but its on a 72.

That is it in a nutshell, it all depends entirely on what you are cutting. When you have manicured grass that is always mowed dry while taking off a normal amount, a person can get by with less hp. Most mowing is not in a perfect condition situation, there comes a time with most all mowing where it becomes wet, and you begin dealing with overgrown damp grass. The overgrown grass takes a little more power, but overgrown damp grass takes a great deal more power. Different parts of the country also play into the scenario. Dry southern stiff blade grasses cut much easier than the northern limp blade grasses that retain more moisture.

so how does the diesel compare in the power dep. against the 29

The 25 diesel can be a little weak at times on a 61 TT, the 28 Cat you would not flip a coin for the difference in power between it and the 29. You go to a 72" deck and the 35 Vanguard is the only engine offered that can power it the way it should be powered. There again it all depends on what part of the country and what condition the grass is in at the time of mowing.

I will tell you I have put a 28 hp Cat diesel on a 72" decked mower and stopped it in its tracks, while a 33 hp Generac gas powered mower went through the same grass and passed the Cat because it was pulling down so badly. The 33 Generac is as strong as any mower engine on the market, except for possibly the 35 Cat on a Bad Boy mower.

 

[supercuts]

i have a TT with the 29 and a bobcat with the 33hp generac. i love my generac. loads of power, very reliable. good choice engine, the Briggs big blocks have been proven well too although i dont run any

 

[puppypaws]

i have a TT with the 29 and a bobcat with the 33hp generac. i love my generac. loads of power, very reliable. good choice engine, the Briggs big blocks have been proven well too although i dont run any

If you get into some heavier cutting, how much stronger does the Generac feel than the 29 Kawasaki?

 

[LibertyFarmLandscaping]

Still say you cant cut 99% of the yards that fast. I cant even cut biggest part of mine with a 29 TT wide open. And if the price is close your a dang fool not getting the proven TT. Still want to see these new trannys with 1000-2000hrs on them.

I will agree. I will be sticking with my Turf Tiger 35hp Vanguards for my employees until the Cheetah is proven.

Since I mow with my crew a couple of days per week, and mow my own 6 acres weekly I might get a Cheetah due to the suspension benefits if my dealer will give me a good enough deal on one.

 

[str400ex]

i really want to go diesel for several reasons but dont want to be under powered and want to go tt I have a tt with 29 and it is underpowered sometimes in my conditions i was leaning toward the 25 for several reasons

 

[LibertyFarmLandscaping]

i really want to go diesel for several reasons but dont want to be under powered and want to go tt I have a tt with 29 and it is underpowered sometimes in my conditions i was leaning toward the 25 for several reasons

Well I've never tried a TT with diesel cuz with the gas engine it is already bordering on being too heavy. My only experience with a diesel is a demo of the Ferris is2000 with 25hp Yanmar. Weight is very close to the TT with gas engine. It was gutless in wet tall grass compared to the Vanguard 35hp. Also bent a scalp roller in 40 hours of use. The ICD deck cut quality was close to the Scag velocity though.