Seed germination

Discussion in 'Turf Renovation' started by Gabby, Apr 16, 2013.

  1. maynardGkeynes

    maynardGkeynes LawnSite Senior Member
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    If you insist on posting a link to a 159 page pdf as your authority, little or none of which appear to address Snyder's main point in any event, would you be so kind as to include page references to the pertinent sections (if any). A mass dump of largely irrelevant information is not proof of anything.
  2. Kiril

    Kiril LawnSite Fanatic
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    Wow, you read that 159 page paper mighty quick Maynard. Actually it does address it specifically and is hardly irrelevant. Further, the second link is not a 159 page pdf. Snyder made some incorrect statements about compost. I disagreed and asked for references. I also provided some references showing compost is indeed used for state seeding/erosion control projects. His references ..... none. If you don't like the references I provided ...... tough.
  3. Gabby

    Gabby LawnSite Member
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  4. Kiril

    Kiril LawnSite Fanatic
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    Mesotrione (example .... Tenacity), based on what he used, which is listed as safe to use at the same time as seeding/overseeding in KBG, PRG, and fescue (with limitation), providing it is used as directed. Seminar.pdf
    Last edited: May 7, 2013
  5. maynardGkeynes

    maynardGkeynes LawnSite Senior Member
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    Normally, I don't read the entire white pages of the phone book when looking for a single telephone number. Do you? Actually, in this case, I used the search function in Adobe Acrobat on the word "straw," which I took to be the subject of Snyder's main contention, which you had dismissed. There was a single reference to "straw" in the bibliography to a study that did not involve turf. BTW, I happen to agree that compost is better, but the neither the pdf nor the web link you provided addressed the relative merits of straw vs. compost as seed cover, which I took to be the main bone of contention.
  6. Kiril

    Kiril LawnSite Fanatic
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    You need to pay attention Maynard.

    Read carefully, if you can, then tell me about relevance . :rolleyes:
  7. maynardGkeynes

    maynardGkeynes LawnSite Senior Member
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    Ok, there has been some snark from me, which isn't helpful, so forget all that please. *trucewhiteflag* Move on. But, here's the issue. A lot of folks do use straw, and it seems to work just fine for seeding. What your sources seem to say is that compost is good -- which I agree -- but I'm not seeing the "straw is bad" in the articles you post. (yeah, I can't read 'em cover to cover in one hour, but I try to make an effort.) I really could not say straw is a bad choice just for seeding cover. Compost and other mulch prods have a lot of other advantages, including erosion control, but just germinating seed? Straw works good for that too.
  8. Snyder's Lawn Inc

    Snyder's Lawn Inc LawnSite Platinum Member
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    I look at it the 2nd link Talks more about Texas erosion and The soil there does suck. Might benefit there.
    I didn't see anything said about Missouri Or New York where the OP is from

    Compost made from feed lot manure. I would not put that in a customer lawn.

    Maybe your soil sucks in Ca. you need compost since you don't have any good top soil or cost way to much to install top soil and you install compost since its cheap. I don't know

    I didn't see anything that said its better then straw for a seed cover. If it did, I miss it Sorry Did read, its better then a slit fence and cost less.

    How do you install the compost on a 2-1,3-1 slope?
    How long does it take you cover 1,000 sf. ? I know on straw 2 bales will cover 1,000 sf. that's $8.00 time for me cover it with straw is a 1 min or less depends how fast you can get the strings off with my straw blower
    I know, I know, I know, We are not talking about what things cost.

    Maybe my town and me are behind in times but nobody use compost for a seed cover here.
    Back in the 80s/90s we traveled with one contactor doing all there projects Been to Neb.,Iowa,ILL.,Kan, and Texas,Ark. and a lot jobs in Missouri Texas was worst soil condition I ever seen. Started the project and didn't get to finish it bottom fell out on the hog market. So owner stop the project of a slaughter plant.

    I'll be the better man and end this, You are right I am wrong
    OP listen to this guys he knows his poo My poo just floats
  9. GrassGuerilla

    GrassGuerilla LawnSite Bronze Member
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    A little dark compost does seem to work better for cold germination. No links, just anecdotal experience. Happened by accident. Noticed where the mulch was inadvertently dropped was the first spots to germinate. Meanwhile shady areas with light colored straw were the slowest. I don't need any pointed headed, air conditioned, manual writing desk jockey (or university of where ever) to explain why convention states that straw must be used. Dark compost attracts and holds heat. If somebody wants straw, straw they will get. Sprinkle a little compost for results you'll see for yourself. (Or go read what some egg head with a lot of letters after his name says).
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  10. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
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    So what your saying is that a little common sense experience along with the ability to analyse what you observe in the real world around you is of greater value than the the writings by pointed headed desk jockeys???

    I love it... :)

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