Purchased topsoil in 5 oz cups was treated with Lesco Razorburn (glyphosate plus diquat) or a 3-way herbicide (Ace ready-to-use), at intervals from 1 to 7 days previously. Perennial ryegrass seed was sprinkled on top. A pen cap measure was improvised. It held an average of 32 seeds. The cups are watered with rain water and held at 67 degrees in a west window. The four day treatment was omitted--not enough room. Results in the form of germination success--if any-- are expected on about January 22. Camera date chip failed--reset itself to date of manufacture--ignore that.