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Seeding methods

Discussion in 'Turf Renovation' started by tonydirks, Oct 2, 2012.

  1. DA Quality Lawn & YS

    DA Quality Lawn & YS LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 9,280

    axe - the ground is not going to freeze up in the middle of October around here. Where do you get that??

    Next week is highs in the upper 50's and lows around 35. That is not going to freeze the ground by any means.

    Usually around here, freeze up doesn't happen until well into Nov. Except last year, there really was no freeze up.
  2. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,082

    My point is to just stop using the strawmat, the hydromulch or fabric entirely... If you feel the need to cover the seed then, compost is going to do the most excellent short term and long job of anything... But I never use straw(other than extreme circumstance) and use compost for the sake of using compost in tough areas...

    There are lots of strategies that I use for seeding depending on the environment, the season, irrigatio or not, soil, existing turf thickness, etc.,,, but putting down a straw mat is never an option for me, there is a better more excellent way to start seed and grow turf, so don't let the naysayers/bullies intimidate you into staying inside your box... :)
  3. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,082

    I remember the year that the Brewers won the World Series there was a big celebration at the potato warehouse at that time... It was one of the few jobs that I really didn't care for because I had to arrive so early and it was freezing cold on concrete floors... I arrived one morning on Oct. 5th and the ground was actually hard, from being frozen...

    Obviously is is not going to stay frozen for the rest of the season and that was my point,,, that even under those circumstances I would still put down seed and there is a realistic chance that it will germinate and establish b4 winter...

    You may not see this in urban areas, where snow is contantly removed, but with decent snow cover, the ground under the snow may easily thaw during winter, even when its well below zero... So it isn't necessary to concern ourselves with the constantly changing AIR Temps becuz it will have little effect on the seed...

    On a side note, our 10 day forecast had 7 out of 10 days below freezing with highs in the 40s... when it hits 18 degrees a few times during that period,,, it may very well be Oct. 5th all over again... :)
  4. Turboguy

    Turboguy LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,972

    You make some good points and I have to agree that someone who lowballs a job and does shoddy work probably is hurting the industry and their own business in the long run. I have been involved in the hydroseeding industry for 22 years and hydroseeding for 16 years and do a lot of hydroseeding. I am also on the board of the hydroseeding association and talk to a lot of hydroseeders. I don't see anyone seeding anymore at 4 cents a foot unless it is a big highway job or the like. I see guys whose material cost to hydroseed is that. Mine is more in the 2 cent range. I do see guys who charge 16-20 cents a foot. Mine is more in the 8-10 cents a foot going up to 20 for small jobs.

    I will agree that if someone does a shoddy job of hydroseeding it may not be any better than just throwing seed on the ground but about 20% of my work is redoing jobs where they threw seed on the ground even as many as 3 times or used seed and straw and couldn't grow grass and I got them a great stand of grass by hydroseeding. Seeing a lot of seeding jobs done various ways I do think spreading seed and covering it with a layer of compost is also an excellent way to go.
  5. Snyder's Lawn Inc

    Snyder's Lawn Inc LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,530

    This late in the season better use the straw not hydromulch
    Who puts fabric down over seed I want hear more on this fabric
    Somethings you say makes me :laugh:
    Thank AXE
  6. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,082

    I see fabric being used on small lawns with various patches up to 100 sq.ft. or more... that is probably the best cover possible, even to rival compost, but the largest roll I ever saw of it , only opened up to 10' wide... I've never used it for lawns myself, but I have seen it out there... I've used it personally in the garden, years ago and know how it could benefit the seeding environment... I would still opt for shredded straw on hillsides instead, just for the convenience... on the flats I do none of that...
  7. Turboguy

    Turboguy LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,972

    I have to agree that a heavy layer of straw will do a bit better job of keeping the soil warm than hydromulch. The reverse is true in the hottest days of summer but either should work fine at this time of year. I have seen guys put erosion control fabric over hydroseeding or broadcast seeding on slopes but I am not sure if that is what you are talking about. It seems to work well.
  8. Snyder's Lawn Inc

    Snyder's Lawn Inc LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,530

    Its not Fabric its wood fibers some is coconut fibers weaved together
    Its called Eroison mat
    Tell you some bad things about using that is clogs up your lawn mower with strings and can damage a mower with the string, its like fishing line
    You can pull it back up after grass comes up but Then take chance ripping the new grass out best leave it, let it decay
    I use it to control Eroison and sometimes use on very small lawn little cheaper then hydro seeding If its late season and Customer dont want straw I will put Eroison mat but if spring time or summer and they will water I'll hydro seed
  9. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,082

    Not sure what you're talking about , but this is more like a "Floating Row Cover" designed by vegetable growers, back in the 70s/80s... no individual strands or grass growing through it... :)
  10. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,082

    Oh I do know what you're talking about... it's called an erosion mat and looks nothing like a bed sheet at all... :)

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