I think I'm asking a question that has been asked before, and I think I understand the ultimate answer to this, but I'd really like to figure out all my options. I have a customer who has a very shaded back yard, and wants to deal with the dirt/mud problem. They have two dogs (small and large), and a couple kids that like to play in the area. Simply put - high traffic, low light. Here in Kansas, the summers can get pretty intense. The winters, on the other hand can cool down quite a bit. Right now the yard is tall fescue. I think the main "options" are fine fescue, and zoysia. My understanding is that particularly fine fescue handles the shade part well. I'm not sure on zoysia. The customer recently asked me about the zoysia, and before I listed off reasons why not to, I wanted to check on it. He wanted to plug a somewhat small part of the backyard. My concern with zoysia is that it will take over the yard, look bad in the winter (and possibly be damaged in the winter when it's dormant), and not handle shade well. With the fine fescue, even if it gets started, I think it will be destroyed with wear in a few weeks. I also am a little reserved on if it will handle the summer heat. I don't think there's enough light for bluegrass. What are my options? They are willing to put a lot into it. Thank you all so much for the help!