should I fire?

Discussion in 'Business Operations' started by candrserviceco, Oct 14, 2013.

  1. candrserviceco

    candrserviceco LawnSite Member
    Messages: 17

    I have a employee crew leader who takes off without any notice. he text me a day latter to say that his out of state nephew has attempted suicide, and his sister is a wreck. that he will need 5 days off.

    now my problem with this is.

    1. my wife, at her job only gets three days off for a death. but I am supposed to give him 5 cause his sister needs him there?

    2. We are near end of season ad we have already laid off most of the crew. we kept the senior guys to get hem as many hours as possible.

    3.this is not the first time, he has just taken off.

    I advised that I would give him a day and then we we are done in 10 days he could go for a couple weeks before we started fall work.

    he refused saying hands where tied and he was staying til at least Wednesday.

    I feel I need to move on and let him go. I mean if it was a his kid or wife that would be a little more understandable to me. but it's a outta state nephew who is ok no and in the hospital, he is staying cause in his words "his sisters a wreck"

    any advise would be great.

    I just get tired of having employees dictate what they will and will not do.

    also does anyone have employees who tell them, I bust my ass for you?

    this seems like a odd quote to me considering I pay you $15-$18a hour?

    your not busting your ass for me you are doing it for a paycheck? when did it become you asteroid g me a favor if you are getting paid, and paid well?

    why do employees have a hard time understanding that I'm there employer not there buddy?

    advise please?
  2. gcbailey

    gcbailey LawnSite Silver Member
    from WV
    Messages: 2,758

    Sounds like you answered your own question... I haven't had to deal with the death issue, hopefully I won't have to for a while either. However, my guys have had unexpected medical issues come up in the past. I've let them use their time, because I knew it was serious issues.

    I know my wife's employer gives 3 days for immediate family member deaths.
  3. B-2 Lawncare

    B-2 Lawncare LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 263

    Fire him and move on. I am assuming that this guys has worked for you for a while, and has done a good job in the past. But that be said you can't have a supervisor acting like this it will effect all of your crews.
  4. Laurel Leaf

    Laurel Leaf LawnSite Member
    Messages: 33

    I'd let him go with the seasonal guys, then reevaluate next season. I reckon you got people soon to be laid off, that are way more hungary then this one.
    Is this the same guy whom tells you " I bust my ass for you" or was that just in general ?
  5. easy-lift guy

    easy-lift guy LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,372

    SACK HIM!.
    easy-lift guy
  6. Chris_NC06

    Chris_NC06 LawnSite Fanatic
    Male, from Sanford, NC
    Messages: 6,825

    As soon as he said "I bust my ass for you" he would have had his walking papers in hand.
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  7. Glenn Lawn Care

    Glenn Lawn Care LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,645

    I'd let him go and move on as well.
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  8. jake78

    jake78 LawnSite Member
    Messages: 47

    It sounds like you are reaching for answers not to. If he's not an A player, get rid of him. There's always someone around to do his job.

    Having the right people means your problems will start to take care of themselves.

    Edit: That's not to say that you shouldn't be sensitive for family issues. However, an A player wouldn't just "take off" for even the most serious family issues. He would try and do something to make up for his absence, or at least discuss the matter with you and be genuinely sorry for missing work.
  9. kemco

    kemco LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,165

    Fire him, or at least give him one warning the if he does it again fire him. Work days are for work. If the guys mother passed away or someone in his immediate family sure I can see giving him a days or two off. But what other job in any profession can someone just take off like he has? None that I know of. And this is your biz, your livelihood, the way you support you and your family. I had two guys like this that I let get away with the same stuff for way too long, and the "I bust my arse for you" I've heard so many times, along with "I'm not getting paid enough for the work I do". The only thing you owe your employee is the job you gave them and a paycheck for the work they did. It is their job to "bust their arse for you." That's what they are getting paid to do. I finally got rid of the two guys I had and it was the best decision I ever made. I wasn't looking forward to having to retrain people but it was well worth it. Both threatened to sue me, blew up my phone with voice mails cussing me out, etc. Whatever, they didn't have a leg to stand on - and I had contacted my attorney first to make sure of it. It was nothing personal, I actually like both guys (until the threats etc.) but in the end they were taking away from my family by calling out all the time with lame excuses including "I can't work today I have to get my oil changed." That's what weekends are for.
  10. 32vld

    32vld LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,983

    He is a good employee. You had no intentions of firing him prior to this.

    You laid off people already for the season. So you have a pool of people that you can choose from to bring back a person for a week or two.

    He needs two weeks off with out pay then let him have them.

    Just because you can do something does not mean you have to or makes it the best decision.

    I also think your other employees would think you are being fair in giving him a break.

    I have had many employers that gave 5 days for a death.

    My SIL works in the office for a service company. Well established, good customer base. The owner has given many loans to his employees to buy a car, and other family emergencies. Then pay back through payroll deduction. He has had many leave before they finished paying. Many have stayed as well. He has never gone after those that left before the loan was paid.

    He makes money hand over fist.

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