That's right, I'm sick of hearing and reading phrases like.... I don't want to go back to work for "the man" for ($7 - $8 - $9) and hour." I certainly understand that, and I can sympathize with that too for folks who don't have any better looking alternatives than that besides mowing grass. Believe me I do... BUT!...... (there is always a but) I'm tired of hearing it and reading it from folks in the green industry. The reason is because I have to worry about what that does to the mentality of the folks who allow themselves to harbor such thoughts, much less say or type them. I think it is a bad thing. A bad thing for them and a bad thing for the industry. Allowing yourself to provide room and board for such thoughts as that effects everything you do. If you don't think it does, I believe you are wrong. I think it effects your quotes, what you will accept from customers, and the list goes on. It's an unhealthy thought process that needs breaking... and digging up by the roots. ************** And also, when you do decide to snuff this out, file this away on your way to getting big. Would you want your current or future employees to have this feeling about you and the job atmosphere and wages you provide them? Or would you rather provide them a decent atmosphere and a fair wage for this not-so-peachy work they have to perform for you every day?