Sitting down on the job?

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by Wright Mfg, Oct 8, 2008.

  1. Wright Mfg

    Wright Mfg Guest
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    This video makes a good point. Don't be like George Costanza, assuming the job can be done just as well sitting down, blind of the consequences. Consider the consequences of sitting down on a mower.

    Many of you have experienced the added productivity of stand up mowers and can see the safety advantages over sit down mowers and still others understand why without even riding one, but still are willing to forgo some productivity, safety, etc in order to sit down, "assuming" they'll be more comfortable. The thing yet to realize is that although sitting down may be more comfortable behind a desk or in a car on a smooth road, it's generally not when mowing on not so smooth turf (particularly with today's faster mowing speeds) and having the seat back and armrests slap you silly and expecting that your spine can absorb shocks as well as your legs can. Note that in motocross, even though the dirt bikes have great suspension, the riders stand up to further absorb shock with their legs when landing or when hitting a series of bumps.

    After understanding all that, here are 10 more reasons to choose Wright. :clapping:

  2. MileHigh

    MileHigh LawnSite Silver Member
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    Nice presentation...

    I love those mowers, and will purchase a couple in the near future.
  3. brucec32

    brucec32 LawnSite Platinum Member
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    Too bad your stand ons have similar or higher ground pressure as small ztrs due to the smaller tire size and high weight for their size, lack true terrain tracing floating decks with proper antiscalp wheel placement to conform to undulating terrain common on new home developments here where we have nothing but hilly terrain , have decks that can't be feathered up and down to avoid scalping over crests of hills, and therefore can't cut Bermuda at 1.75" w/o scalping the bejesus out of it. They look fun to use, though.

    You're not alone by any means. Northern turf-centric attitudes and design (apparently optimized for cutting Kentucky blue at over 3" on what was formerly flat farm land, minimal emphasis on mulching technology, weight seemingly not a factor since that grass repairs itself, unlike Fescues used here in shady areas) are costing mower manufacturers a lot of sales. I've seen exactly 3 standers in use in the Atlanta area in 16 years. And none of the dealers I visited to look at them are still Stander dealers.

    Make it lighter, not all of us are brutes that destroy our machines so you don't have to make them heavy. You might save enough steel to knock the price down some too.
    Make sure it cuts and mulches well, make the deck resemble that of a turf tracer hp (antiscalps all over it, especially at the corners, deck suspended freely to float easily) , make a 3 blade unit (for short length and less scalping over undulations) capable of going through 48" gates, and find a way to raise the deck on the fly (ala the new toro Grandstand) and sales would take off here once people became aware of the changes.

    As designed, the mower is useful on about 25% of my properties, and those are almost all ones a ZTR does just fine on. I admire the innovative design, it just isn't appropriate for this area.

    I was actually hired to cut a yard in a subdivision where the homeowners association pays for the lawn maintenance of the front yards. The old standers used (and operators) were doing such a bad job on the Bermuda, leaving lines in the grass at any concave or convex point This customer pays me to recut the front while I'm there doing the back yard. I noticed this year they have a new service. The lawns no longer really need my attention in front.
  4. topsites

    topsites LawnSite Fanatic
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    While I do agree that Ztr's are a lot more like riding a horse than driving a car...
    My biggest issue has to do with cost efficiency.

    A 1,300 pound 25hp hydro-power $9,000 machine quite simply is not cost
    effective on most lots, consuming nearly 2 gallons per hour it's nothing but
    a hog that can't get out of its own way in most average sized lots, thus taking
    more time than it should, then costing an arm and a leg to operate.

    It's just overkill to use a 5-foot deck on a 10,000 square foot property too,
    I feel a little bit like driving a Nascar stock car on a dang Go-kart track,
    it's not that the car isn't fast enough, it's that I can't get it around the loop!

    Then the trailering, once that thing sits on my trailer it eats my truck's fuel,
    and I have to drive a whole lot slower because of all that weight in back.
    So it just eats me...

    I only use the Z here and there, it's nice to have as a status symbol and as a guy I have to guess women
    don't believe that having a Z really means that I am a man, and so I've put 125 hours on it in two years.
    Last edited: Oct 9, 2008
  5. topsites

    topsites LawnSite Fanatic
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    So while the Wright may be a better mower in certain terrains,
    I already have enough of a problem loading two mowers on my trailer,
    I have little appreciation for weighted down trailers sucking up truck fuel one,
    but playing musical equipment with my stuff is not something I enjoy either.

    Another problem nobody ever seems to address is getting stuck.
    Yes, that's right, sure enough it rained and the yard is wet and someone
    wasn't paying attention and now the mower is stuck axle deep in the ditch.

    Oh it's just not a common problem, sure, I hear you, but it happens to me at least once a year.

    Got a Ztr stuck?
    Forget it dude, go unhook the trailer, back up the truck, get the tow rope out, and so on...
    Average time: 30 minutes to two hours, almost always long enough to totally interfere with a schedule.

    How about the Wright stander, I don't see it being much lighter, hence I
    don't foresee this thing being any easier once it's rutted deep in there.

    That's just how it goes, you ain't never experienced stuck until you've been there, but once that POS is stuck you will know this BS lol
    Now my main mower, no problem, I usually can push it out, it's that light.

    Meanwhile, as was mentioned, scalping.
    If I can't lift the deck there's no use, doesn't matter if it's floating, if anything
    float decks just add more weight once again compounding the earlier problem.

    But the manufacturers all know the answer, stick a bigger engine on it, there, 200 hp V-8,
    say did it ever dawn on anyone that efficiency doesn't come with big and heavy...
    Fuel is costing more than ever, where fuel used to run 5-8 percent of the cost it is running much closer to 20%,
    I see one more big engine on a mower I just puke, I haven't bought a new machine in two years and with this
    trend of bigger and heavier continuing I foresee another rebuild of my now 10-year old 15hp 300 pound 48"
    Last edited: Oct 9, 2008
  6. Wright Mfg

    Wright Mfg Guest
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    Our Drive tires are generally as large and sometimes larger than many of the small ZTR's and other stand on mowers. For example, the exmark Phazer uses 18x7-8 and our Stander RH uses 18x8.5-8. We use 24 x12 -12 on the biggest Stander (the ZK) as big or bigger than most big ZTR's and our classic Stander uses 20X10-8 bigger than most other Stand on's.

    We know we don't satisfy every need by making the lightest decks, and we know that your city and grass types have the most need for that than most other places.
    We have on our "to do list" to eventually cater to those sort of needs. We do however feel that our mowers contour better than most before the deck alone floats, because our four wheels are closer to the deck than most which allows the whole mower to more effectively float. For example, our 48" fixed deck Stander contours quite well because of wide rear tires that are almost touching the deck and not a lot of deck overhang (virtually no space to put scalp wheels anyway if it were a floating deck) The whole mower floats you want.......we do this.......
    We do that too. We get through 48" gates with our 48" deck mowers and all of our non-fixed deck Standers have a deck lift lever to lift the deck on the fly.

  7. lawnboy dan

    lawnboy dan LawnSite Gold Member
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    dear wright-if you had come out with the compact stander that can get tru gates -i would have bought one years ago. at least you now acknlodge the need for a smaller sized machine now.
  8. mag360

    mag360 LawnSite Silver Member
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    Toro has a useable lift on the fly feature? I've been suggesting this as the next step for stand on machines for a few years now---it's about time someone made the option available.

    I believe that Wright has the nicest units on the market though, and I'd love to see a lift on the fly option on their machines. The handle on the RH is a start but is not really useable while operating the controls. A foot pedal of some sort would be better but placement would be an issue so it would probably come down to a switch operated electric lift---one that responds similar to grassoppers where you push to raise and the deck floats back down when you release. Maybe that's the system toro is using though.
  9. Wright Mfg

    Wright Mfg Guest
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    dear Dan, I don't know what you're talking about. We've had a 36" Stander for many years and a 32" Stander for a few years now.

  10. Wright Mfg

    Wright Mfg Guest
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    You need to take one hand off the control to lift the deck on theirs as well. Although the RH has a button to push as you pull the lever, the ZK does not, so we can "lift on the fly" pretty well. You just need to hold the controls with one hand in the center. It's probably tricky to do on theirs actually because they have that OPC on the one control lever that you have to keep down. Our OPC operates with the platform you stand on, so you don't even have to think about it.


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