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Hey everyone, I am starting a small landscaping business here in Sunny Phoenix Arizona! I would like some input from some people here in the valley preferably or any where across the country (I know every region is a lil different)... I have a short bed Chevy Pick up, 18ft open trailer, 21" mower, weed whacker, hedge trimmer, edger, and a hand held blower plus misc hand tools, I know its a large trailer but something I can grow into right?.. I bought some door hangers and have been posting on Craigslist. I have got a few jobs so far, here and there. So my questions...

- how's my setup so far?
- how can I get more business?
- any success stories in AZ?

I am pretty smart, my dad and grandpa both have done landscaping, I currently work in automotive repair, I manage a repair shop so I'm pretty good with customers and selling services, I can also fix cars so I'm good with my hands too!

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Hey everyone, I am starting a small landscaping business here in Sunny Phoenix Arizona! I would like some input from some people here in the valley preferably or any where across the country (I know every region is a lil different)... I have a short bed Chevy Pick up, 18ft open trailer, 21" mower, weed whacker, hedge trimmer, edger, and a hand held blower plus misc hand tools, I know its a large trailer but something I can grow into right?.. I bought some door hangers and have been posting on Craigslist. I have got a few jobs so far, here and there. So my questions...

- how's my setup so far?
- how can I get more business?
- any success stories in AZ?

I am pretty smart, my dad and grandpa both have done landscaping, I currently work in automotive repair, I manage a repair shop so I'm pretty good with customers and selling services, I can also fix cars so I'm good with my hands too!

Go #AZcardinals 7-1 :clapping:
From your description or yourself, you are good with customers and good with mechanical repairs which is definitely a plus. Leave the 18' trailer at home and put the 21" in the bed of the truck until you need to purchase a larger mower. If I remember correctly, most of the lawns in Phoenix are small and can be mowed with a small mower. Good luck.
 

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Welcome to the industry. Now stop & get out while you are still young. Seriously if you have the brains & work ethic to be successful in lawn care you would likely make much more money in most any other industry.

We did just over a million this year in residential service here in Phoenix. I'm not in the field but I still work 60 + hours a week and I'm at he mercy of a workforce that can't do simple math & believe our company is here to provide work for them when they need money. The DOT can put you out of business in one stop if you don't have some cash in the bank. The competition does not even know what their costs are so you are bidding against people who are hobbyists at best and draw a wage.

Best of luck though.
 

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I was defiantly thinking of not taking the trailer with me everywhere, mostly just for big clean ups right now. and yes, most of the residential lawns here are small to fair size.

AZ Gardner, I currently work 55+ hrs a week in my current job, also I don't know how easy it would be for me to break a million a year, geez I'd be satisfied to break 100k a year right now. I am just tired of the industry I'm in and I want to make money for my self, I sell 10's of thousands of dollars a week in auto repair and my commission is only a small percent of that. I am just tired of busting my ass for people who are ungrateful all the time and bosses who are never satisfied no matter how much money you make for them!
I've been doing this on the weekends only to supplement my income but I'm wanting to go full time.
 

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Hey buddy I believe your heading in the right direction. Don't get discouraged by people who cant think outside the box. Everyone starts somewhere. Most LC start with minimal equipment and a few accounts. Its not about making a million a year. We all have the ability to be successful despite the competition. Myself I'm an entrepreneur, a hustler. I can compete with the best of them. Its challenging out there for sure with all the lowballers and wannabe landscapers, but I blow them out of the water all the time. Its not about price, its about attitude, knowledge, and commitment. This is what people want, a person with a great positive attitude who is knowledgeable and committed to their needs. And with that my friend you too can be making a million + a year.
 

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Not sure how much you make now, but plan on $300k/yr before you can safely draw a salary over $50k with weekly or every two week pay checks
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I was defiantly thinking of not taking the trailer with me everywhere, mostly just for big clean ups right now. and yes, most of the residential lawns here are small to fair size.

AZ Gardner, I currently work 55+ hrs a week in my current job, also I don't know how easy it would be for me to break a million a year, geez I'd be satisfied to break 100k a year right now. I am just tired of the industry I'm in and I want to make money for my self, I sell 10's of thousands of dollars a week in auto repair and my commission is only a small percent of that. I am just tired of busting my ass for people who are ungrateful all the time and bosses who are never satisfied no matter how much money you make for them!
I've been doing this on the weekends only to supplement my income but I'm wanting to go full time.
Wait, you are tired of busting your ass for people who are never satisfied?

Ummmm you don't want to work in THIS industry either.
You say you SELL tens of thousands a week in auto repairs… does that mean you are the the counter jockey? Or the wrench? I'm assuming counter jockey/service writer.

assume 15k in sales a week (you said tens of thousands) and a 4% commission? That's $600 bucks a week, gross. If you sold 30k, that's $1200 a week gross.
at 600 a week on the low side, 55 hours a week is just shy of $11/hr, but if you sell 30k that's $22/hr.
What you are upset with is pretty vague. But here's what Im getting at.

Lets assume the first year you get filled up 60%, meaning you could take on more work and just haven't found it yet.

So if you work 10 hours a day, 5 days a week (50 hours, 5 less than you are working right now) and you charge $45 an hour to mow. $2,250.00

Woo hoo! score! right?
That's what everyone thinks.

1) you aren't going to get that right away (that's the main reason I used 60%)
2) there are costs associated (this is where the gross goes away, FAST)

60% of $2,250.00 is $1,350.00, multiply that out by the 40 weeks a year you will have work? (I'm guessing I haven't mowed lawns in AZ before) That's a possible 54,000 in income.

Keep in mind even this goal is lofty.

Now apply things like insurance, business license, fuel, repairs, equipment acquisition, and unforeseen expenses and you can take 30% off that and make it go away.
Now you are left with $37,800.00

I won't talk about self employment tax because I didn't take out tax rom your current job, but self employment tax is MORE than taxes taken out of a normal check because YOU pay the tax of your employer AND employee.

now in your current job you have work year round, with this lawn career you want to make for yourself you don't.

In the above example $600 per week x 52 =$31,200.00 (or $62,400.00) it's still unclear how much you actually make there, but Ill assume it's somewhere between that because Im fairly sure your claim of "tens of thousands" each and every week in sales is a little exaggerated.

So now you compare $37,800.00 to $31,200.00, where's this big raise my friend?
Now you have sixty bosses of whom at least 1/3 of them are unsatisfied for unreasonable reasons, what do you do? Get rid of them? If you do you just gave your self a 10 grand pay cut!

Not to mention, in OUR industry, your bills (insurance, taxes etc) are always due in nice BIG chunks, not a little trickle taken out every pay day.
Factor in self employment tax and that little raise is a big pay cut, and now you have twenty people who don't appreciate you instead of one.

Are you sure this is a great idea?
This isn't the "jump on a motorcycle and ride into the sunset and receive freedom plus a paycheck" that people think it is.
It's more work, less pay, and more hassle for at least the first five years.
Of which 2/3 of the upstarts never make it that far.
AND because most are bull headed they will not accept their mistake early enough, so when the do finally fail, they will leave this industry with a big fat debt on multiple credit cards and bill collectors constantly calling.

"small lawns and easy money"

I don't know where that is, but it's not out your front door like everyone keeps thinking it is.
Or they wouldn't all e trying to jam riders onto all those small lawns and/or trying to find employees.
The lawn isn't that small when you have to mow 3,150 of them a year to get paid.
 

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I'm 100% with TP on this, I'm not going to say don't do it because I truly enjoy this work but take off the rose colored glasses.
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defiantly no "rose color glasses" on me. I am well aware of the work involved and the money that's in it. My family has been landscaping for a long time.
As far as how much I make right now, $600-$1500 a week depending on business. Sounds good right? No. The amount of stress involved, my hair is turning gray. Yes, I manage a repair shop, I started on the floor, turning wrench for 5yrs. and moved up a lil. I'm looking to make money for myself, that's it. I'm looking to control my own job, in a shop there's probably 3-4 different problems in a day that happen because I cant control it, but I end up doing damage control, I'm still responsible in some way! I am tired of fixing everyone's **** ups, not being appreciated for it, and dealing with all the upper management that's nearly impossible to make happy.

I understand the jump I'm taking and my goal is to be that 1/3rd that succeeds, I am capable of it and it will happen. My current job is extremely demanding, most people wouldn't last a day.
Also, I have lived in Phoenix a long time, I am well aware of the temps we deal with during the summer, its bearable for some.
I am very business smart and I can sell a piece of **** wrapped in foil to Queen Elizabeth.
I just want to sell for myself. and do something I enjoy!
 

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Do your homework buddy, take some horticulture courses which are offered at Mesa community college. Write yourself a business plan. Success is a state of mind not how much money you can make. Everyone is worried about money. True success includes financial security, happiness, comfort, and enjoyment. Because you can make a lot of money and not be happy. You must really have a passion for this industry or it will tear you apart. It has its up and downs. Here in the valley the hot summers work to our advantage and we have a 365 day growing season so no shut down if you play it right. So go for it.
 

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Definantly gonna do more then just mowing, that's for sure. I have equipment to do just about everything to maintain a yard...
The classes seem nice at MCC but there gonna tell me stuff I know already(I think) ? I grew up around landscaping and my Grandfather owns a nursery that I helped in since I was a teenager. I know more then you may think about grass, plants, trees and shrubs.
 

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Do your homework buddy, take some horticulture courses which are offered at Mesa community college. Write yourself a business plan. Success is a state of mind not how much money you can make. Everyone is worried about money. True success includes financial security, happiness, comfort, and enjoyment. Because you can make a lot of money and not be happy. You must really have a passion for this industry or it will tear you apart. It has its up and downs. Here in the valley the hot summers work to our advantage and we have a 365 day growing season so no shut down if you play it right. So go for it.
I also think success is a state of mind, making my family and I comfortable, making sure my daughters have what they need and my wife smiles everyday, that's true happiness, also me being happy doing what I enjoy... can you ask for more? More money more problems, right?
 

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I also think success is a state of mind, making my family and I comfortable, making sure my daughters have what they need and my wife smiles everyday, that's true happiness, also me being happy doing what I enjoy... can you ask for more? More money more problems, right?
If your financially intelligent you shouldn't have any problems with your money. Have a good budget and use it wisely, respect it. If you miss use it of course more money more problems.
Stay out of debt, pay your taxes and always have some put away for emergencies. I make lots money and haven't had any problems.
 

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Sounds like you are headed in the right direction.. You have a good general knowledge of the field. Also , really understanding how to water landscapes here is a big deal. Having expertise in this area puts you far beyond your competition.
Just out of curiosity how do you properly irrigate in the Desert? Do you guys flood and then starve so to speak?
 

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In a nutshell, yes. Irrigate heavy then let dry out. Too many overwater here. Flood irrigation with berms around the yard used to be the standard twice a month in summer and once a month in fall \winter. Its a thing of the past no modern homes come with flood irrigation, although in some of the older areas its still active. As we stretch housing developments into previously undisturbed desert areas (not areas that were cultivated in the past) native soils are rockier and drain faster so the have to be irrigated more often.
 
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