Hello to everyone looking for anybody that has bad back problems and has tried to stand on versus a zero turn with a suspension seat. Just wondering if the stand on easier on the back.
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Stand on VS Zero turn which is easier on the back
Hello to everyone looking for anybody that has bad back problems and has tried to stand on versus a zero turn with a suspension seat. Just wondering if the stand on easier on the back.
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If you don't have any back problems, then it doesn't matter really. If you DO have back problems, it matters where the injury is in your back. Low back- forget about the stander. I have ran both and no way I could deal with standing on one all day even though I like standers.
I also think that unless you are rolling on brand new asphalt, over time you are going to develop knee issues using a stander. I like standers as well, but they can be rough on the legs.
I wouldn't say I have back problems, my yard always made my low back hurt by the time I was done. Lawn tractor or ZTR, though I didn't have a suspension seat. I couldn't wait to GTFO that thing. Standing? I could cut it 5 times over, i feel great when i'm done.
If a stander is going to ruin my knees, then I better not walk anymore because that is way harder on them from a biomechanical stand point. My LCL has been gone since high school. I have cartilage floating in it locks sometimes flexed to the point I have to have someone pull and twist to regain mobility. I doubt I'll ever have surgery on it and the stander bothers that knee not at all.
sitting is one of THE most disadvantageous biomechanical positions people regularly put their body in. It may be that it's more comfortable for some, i'm sure it is. I like to sit when I get home too, but there is little debate that it makes your body more susceptible to injury in the long run thru the muscle imbalance it creates and putting the low back in vulnerable position.
Of course that is generally speaking. Some people have injuries already that change that narrative some because of comfort, but the nuts and bolts of it are still the same. Though it could be something as simple as making sure you're not standing with an anteriorly rotated pelvis and causing facets to jam up in the lumbar spine. Happens a lot to people.
Jumping on a stander doesn't magically make issues like that go away. They'd have to be worked on outside of that.
If a stander is going to ruin my knees, then I better not walk anymore because that is way harder on them from a biomechanical stand point. My LCL has been gone since high school. I have cartilage floating in it locks sometimes flexed to the point I have to have someone pull and twist to regain mobility. I doubt I'll ever have surgery on it and the stander bothers that knee not at all.
sitting is one of THE most disadvantageous biomechanical positions people regularly put their body in. It may be that it's more comfortable for some, i'm sure it is. I like to sit when I get home too, but there is little debate that it makes your body more susceptible to injury in the long run thru the muscle imbalance it creates and putting the low back in vulnerable position.
Of course that is generally speaking. Some people have injuries already that change that narrative some because of comfort, but the nuts and bolts of it are still the same. Though it could be something as simple as making sure you're not standing with an anteriorly rotated pelvis and causing facets to jam up in the lumbar spine. Happens a lot to people.
Jumping on a stander doesn't magically make issues like that go away. They'd have to be worked on outside of that.
You really think standing in one place is more beneficial/less harmful than walking?
I beg to differ. Weight bearing exercises promote strong/dense bones, they promote cardiovascular health. So, unless a person weighs an excessive amount ya, walking is beneficial.
We're ALL different. Each has to find out for themselves what works best for them vs what aggravates them should they have an underlying condition.
I'm solo & 58yo and only operate a WB since I don't want to sit or stand for a living. I enjoy this activity and find it beneficial toward my greater well-being. Will mention that taking care of my feet and eating right both play a huge role in my longevity.
I'd consider sitting/Z-turn VS standing/stand-on to each have their own issues altogether. For me, and if I had to chose one - I'd go w/ a stander hands down. The next guy could totally present as the opposite.
I'm solo & 58yo and only operate a WB since I don't want to sit or stand for a living. I enjoy this activity and find it beneficial toward my greater well-being. Will mention that taking care of my feet and eating right both play a huge role in my longevity.
I'd consider sitting/Z-turn VS standing/stand-on to each have their own issues altogether. For me, and if I had to chose one - I'd go w/ a stander hands down. The next guy could totally present as the opposite.
I guess it also depends on the injury. I've got Ankylosing Spondylitis and my si joints in n my hips are fused and I get a lot of pain from my hips radiating into my lower back. Also had a partial discectomy L5S1. And stress fracture occured S1 about 4 years later. So yeah I've got back pain, but I think stander is easier because I can switch up where the pressure is.
Why don't you address that question to someone medically qualified to answer it? This thread is (mostly) going to be a "free for all" of people that cut grass propagating whatever type/brand is on their trailer.
I have a herniated disc in my lower back. Sitting down all day can flair it up. but using a stander I'm completely fine. Now depending on your back injury your results may be different. But i'd advise just demoing one for a day and see how you go. You should know pretty quick if its going to be causing issues.
Also, yes they are called a 'stander'. but you arent really standing like you are in a factory or at a bus stop. you're leaning into the pad quite comfortably. Which is a HUGE difference in regards to fatigue. Unless your knees are really bad i cant see it being an issue. I can go all day on my stander with less fatigue then if i were sitting, its basic ergonomics.
As a general rule of thumb. Standers are far better on your body then sitting down. Even if you dont have any injuries, the standers still better on your ergonomics. Think about it, if you sit down for an extended duration. sometimes you can get a bit stiff and it takes a bit to get moving again once you get up and off. This doesnt happen with a stander.
Also, yes they are called a 'stander'. but you arent really standing like you are in a factory or at a bus stop. you're leaning into the pad quite comfortably. Which is a HUGE difference in regards to fatigue. Unless your knees are really bad i cant see it being an issue. I can go all day on my stander with less fatigue then if i were sitting, its basic ergonomics.
As a general rule of thumb. Standers are far better on your body then sitting down. Even if you dont have any injuries, the standers still better on your ergonomics. Think about it, if you sit down for an extended duration. sometimes you can get a bit stiff and it takes a bit to get moving again once you get up and off. This doesnt happen with a stander.
Funny thing about back pain, it may feel better sitting vs standing. But you're almost always doing more harm sitting. If you stand, and are built to stand and maneuver rather than sitting, you will be better in the long haul.
The stander may put more on the knees rather than sitting. But not even the softest riding zero turns are easy on the back when sitting.
I ride atv's and motorcycles and do enough sitting, it was a no brainer to bounce around lawns on my feet rather than on my butt.
I can mow all day and hop off the standers and not grunt. When i get up off a zero turn after 2 hours of mowing, there's some growling going on.
The stander may put more on the knees rather than sitting. But not even the softest riding zero turns are easy on the back when sitting.
I ride atv's and motorcycles and do enough sitting, it was a no brainer to bounce around lawns on my feet rather than on my butt.
I can mow all day and hop off the standers and not grunt. When i get up off a zero turn after 2 hours of mowing, there's some growling going on.
Most comfortable hiking boots I ever owned were vasque. I've been wearing the same make and model boot to cut in for the last 10 years. Used to be $39 now they are $89 but you can catch them on sale. I stand corrected now $62 may get me a couple more.
They used to be under their "guide gear" brand. Went to huntrite last year maybe the year before. I've literally bought at least 15 pairs of this exact boot over the years. 400 thinsulate is not too hot for the summer. Heck we get well over 100 temps here. And just enough to keep the toes from freezing in the winter. As I said I will get at least a season to a season and a half before I chunk them for a new pair. Could probably stretch it to two season. I do put them on a bass pro purchased boot drier every evening year end year out.
Last note on those boots imo they run pretty true to size. I am a 10.5 in dang near everything and I get these in 10.5 and they fit perfectly.
almost 20 years ago Vasque was my go to hiker. Best leather and soles around, but they were 200+ not 62 
They've since moved all their production from Italy to China and when my last pair took a crap, I had to switch brands. Actually my last ones were from 2002 at least and I had to buy them just a tad smaller than I normally would because it was all they had left I could find where the model was still made in Italy. I wore them until just a couple of years ago, 3, 4 tops. and the leather is still very good and the soles too, they just started separating.
Since they were always just a tad tight I just ended up buying different ones altogether but one day I might take them to a shoemaker just to see how well they can fix them
They've since moved all their production from Italy to China and when my last pair took a crap, I had to switch brands. Actually my last ones were from 2002 at least and I had to buy them just a tad smaller than I normally would because it was all they had left I could find where the model was still made in Italy. I wore them until just a couple of years ago, 3, 4 tops. and the leather is still very good and the soles too, they just started separating.
Since they were always just a tad tight I just ended up buying different ones altogether but one day I might take them to a shoemaker just to see how well they can fix them
LOL yeah I wasn't meaning the vasque were that. I paid about the same $200 at least for mine some 15 years ago but by dang they were comfortable.
that was a while ago, October 2002, did 10 days there in peru after 3 weeks in Bolivia for school. Was very fortunate and was able to go over there for a few days to do the hike, which itself was 4 days. The rest was Cusco and surrounding area. If you're in shape, do the hike, it's worth it. Always said I'd go back and to the 10 day hike, now I don't think i'm in that good of shape, I'd do like everyone else and take the train LOL.
though you have a few hours before the onslaught of tourists get there if you do the hike. well, at least you used to. I'm not sure they're even running tours right now.
though you have a few hours before the onslaught of tourists get there if you do the hike. well, at least you used to. I'm not sure they're even running tours right now.
Getting closer to 50... here is my humble opinion
It’s not the Ride that’s the issue
Is getting up after the ride.
If I was going to mow all day Long, I think I’d want a rider
But as we all know, that’s rarely what you do.
You got to move that hose, that garbage, that flamingo it branch.
You’re grabbing the timer or the blower
The up downs get old
I see it in the youngsters as well
You need a spatula and a crisp bar to get their rump out of the seat.
So in the majority of cases
I prefer there to not be a seat.
People keep trying to find ways to get by by staying in the seat.
My vote is for stander.
If it weren’t for what I use walkers for, I don’t think I’d buy another rider.
I’d have to have guys mowing some crazy non stop acreage to have it make sense for me.
Those contracts exist
I just don’t win them - anymore
It’s not the Ride that’s the issue
Is getting up after the ride.
If I was going to mow all day Long, I think I’d want a rider
But as we all know, that’s rarely what you do.
You got to move that hose, that garbage, that flamingo it branch.
You’re grabbing the timer or the blower
The up downs get old
I see it in the youngsters as well
You need a spatula and a crisp bar to get their rump out of the seat.
So in the majority of cases
I prefer there to not be a seat.
People keep trying to find ways to get by by staying in the seat.
My vote is for stander.
If it weren’t for what I use walkers for, I don’t think I’d buy another rider.
I’d have to have guys mowing some crazy non stop acreage to have it make sense for me.
Those contracts exist
I just don’t win them - anymore
To each their own. I'm still looking for a comparable value haven't found one for me personally. 90% humidity and usually well over 100F in summer with and without heat indexes. And I always wear 2 pairs of socks, summer and winter. I have no problem with them. Have done me well for over 10 years.
Gotta say I can’t recommend keen boots. Only lasted me about 3ish months before the sides broke down and the sole is starting to separate.
Same here, bought a pair of Keens based on someone heres recomendation. The sole's started to seperate making them lumpy on my feets. I did get most of a season out if them though.
When I first started I was push mowing using Teva sandals. Super comfy while on the ztr, jut begging to lose a toe when doing anything else. Plus trimming was painful. So now I have full height timberlands with steel toe. Darn Tough mountaneering merino wool socks made in Vermont is the key, I can't imagine what cotton socks would be like. Shorts give me the ventilation I need. I always seem to be walking backwards into some random hole while trimming so I want maximum ankle protection.
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