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So I work for a landscape company now. I'm gonna start a primarily mowing comany next season. Boss already knows and is being very cool about it and says I always got a place to come back to. Anyway. Gonna take my time yo setup get ein get insurance all tge background work. My question is about advertising. When is to early to start hammering advertising? I was thinking janurary? What advertising have you found gets the best return? Also for you mostly mow guys out there how do your # look? How many clients are reasonable to expect 1st year? I'm hoping at least30. My goal would be to get to about 80 yards in a few years. I plan to be running solo for a long time. Thanks for any insight
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A good fisherman has lots of hooks in the water.

try social media of all types, as you gain traction, word of mouth or more specifically women word of mouth.

the”pay for lead sites” like thumbtack, greenpal, or Angie’s leads, suck the monetary life out of you, and the same lead is sent to multiple people. They appeal mainly to budget conscious every two/3 weeks, knock it down crowd.

if you got 15 the first year, that would be an average. You’ll get a lot of one time overgrown yards. There’s no quick way to success, you pay for it with time.
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How many clients are reasonable to expect 1st year? I'm hoping at least30. My goal would be to get to about 80 yards in a few years. I plan to be running solo for a long time.
A lot depends on size of yards 30 One acre yards is a lot.
Question for you? Do you believe your boss is making money from your labor right now ?
If yes.
Then why would you want to stay solo and not hire a worker as soon as you can? Even a part-timer. That also can keep you on schedule if your sick/hurt or get behind due to weather etc.
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Great you are thinking\planning now for next year.

ADVERTISING:
Flyers/Doorhangers is a good way to start AND keep your target area tightly focused. Look at Vista Print (or something similar) for professional looking door hangers. VP will also help with design for a small fee. Expect about a 1% call ratio: you hang 100 door hangers, you get 1 phone call (not necessarily the job).

Get yourself on a local facebook community page. It is free and again targets local clients. You don't need to create your own page, most will allow maybe 1 business post per week (check what your community allows).

Get on Google for Business. It is free, provides you a free pre-canned website where you can upload photos/post/etc and allows people who are actually looking to come to you VS flyers => you going to them. Again: limit your target area to a specific zip code, town, etc.

TIMING:
Doorhangers I would put up 4 to 6 weeks in advance of mowing season start. Most folks wait until the last minute to find someone.

Facebook I would put up 4 to 6 weeks in advance of mowing season start.

I would get a free Google for Business site stood up by Jan 1, 2024. Don't wait until the last minute.
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Don't quit you day job (landscaping). Don't attempt to 'steal' customers from your landscaper if he also does mowing. Talk to current employer before end of this season to see if you can work part time in 2024 while you start out. I've seen many on here claim it takes about 3 years until you have a good feel for a new business. I find that advice to be SPOT ON.

FIGURE OUT YOUR TARGET SIZE LAWN:
Get 3 to 5 estimates from non low-ball competitors for YOUR TARGET SIZE LAWN. This will indicate what the actual going rate it. If you don't own a lawn to get estimate on, use parents or a friend that is willing to get the estimates.

BUY MOWER(S) BASED ON TARGET SIZE LAWN:
If you're targeting 1/4 acre lawns start small with something like a 32" or 36". If you're targeting 1/2 acre lawns consider a 48" or 52" walk behind or stander...

FIGURE OUT A TARGET AREA (town, zip code, neighborhoods, etc):
Try to limit yourself from driving all over the place to get from one job to the next. Gas, oil, maintenance costs $$$ in time and money. If you drive 30 minutes from 1 job to the next, you either need to charge more OR eat that cost yourself.

SET A MINIMUM PRICE AND STAND FIRM.
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Social media, google business listing, door hangers, truck lettering, work shirts.

All things successful businesses use.

Get the business side of it set up now so that next year you can concentrate on working. Get an accountant.

There is NEVER a bad time to start advertising...
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There is NEVER a bad time to start advertising
It's not good to start advertising to early and the tell potential customers your not set up yet.
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It's not good to start advertising to early and the tell potential customers your not set up yet.

I was referring to when he is completely set up and ready to go.

I dont do a lot of active advertising any longer but when I did it was year round and it was centered around the season we were in.
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I'm only in my second season but so far I've found EDDM to really help get the higher end clients FYI
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I run the mow route for current company. 3 out of the 4 mow days i run solo. We're at 65 or so accounts. I would say we bill around 4k a week (i dont know the actual number)10 of those are commercial sized accounts( I want to get to these kind of numbers for myself) Mon. Tues. Wed. Are 13 hr routes Thursday our together day is about 10hrs. I would never ever steal customers that has already been discussed. That's not the kind of person I am. I will almost definataly be working part time for him next season or 2 or 3 as my bussiness grows. I will need to start with smaller ztrs to fit my current trailer. Thinking a 48 or 52 ztr maybe a 36 stander or walkbehind. I have a 30 timemaster already. My idea is to start mostly residential (there is alot of $ within 30min of me). Then as my business and trailer and my money grows get into a 60" or 72" and start looking at commercial. By year 3 I want to get into the aeration/overseed game. By yr5 I want to be in the organic fert side of it as well. My goal is to be grossing over 100k by yr 5 solo. Just during mow season. Is this reasonable?
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I'm only in my second season but so far I've found EDDM to really help get the higher end clients FYI
Thank you. Forgive my ignorance what is eddm?
My wife is an accountant by trade and has always wanted to own a small business. So I have that going for me. Thanks for all the help so far.
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Thank you. Forgive my ignorance what is eddm?
EveryDoorDirectMail It's postcards that get mail out to thousands of homes. It looks professional from the get go as well. It can be somewhat costly depending on your budget but well worth it.
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As far as flyers, I am in a similar climate. We have good results with a nice flyer. I have found the sweet spot of flyering to be the first warm snap in February. People seems to switch to a spring mindset at that point. Doing flyers early doesn’t hurt anything, potential customers will see your name and that’s always a good thing.
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I run the mow route for current company. 3 out of the 4 mow days i run solo. We're at 65 or so accounts. I would say we bill around 4k a week (i dont know the actual number)10 of those are commercial sized accounts( I want to get to these kind of numbers for myself) Mon. Tues. Wed. Are 13 hr routes Thursday our together day is about 10hrs. I would never ever steal customers that has already been discussed. That's not the kind of person I am. I will almost definataly be working part time for him next season or 2 or 3 as my bussiness grows. I will need to start with smaller ztrs to fit my current trailer. Thinking a 48 or 52 ztr maybe a 36 stander or walkbehind. I have a 30 timemaster already. My idea is to start mostly residential (there is alot of $ within 30min of me). Then as my business and trailer and my money grows get into a 60" or 72" and start looking at commercial. By year 3 I want to get into the aeration/overseed game. By yr5 I want to be in the organic fert side of it as well. My goal is to be grossing over 100k by yr 5 solo. Just during mow season. Is this reasonable?
your plan isn’t unrealistic. If you live in an area where people have money and care about their yards I’d start aeration and over seeding the first year. Especially if your law route isn’t full. You can rent an old school aerator and make good to great money in a day. Then you’ve started building that route and a call list for the future. Also, if you are in a high end residential area people will pay good money for a fertilizer program by a turf expert.
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You're near Indianapolis, so a 7-8 month mow season? What are you going to do for income those other months?

I'm on year 3 of a "never supposed to get this big" solo part-time OP. I invoice around $1000 a week, mowing only. (With a day job.) A couple thoughts...



* Residential customers suck. Not all of them, but by comparison...

* Small commercial accounts are where it's at, for me. They're far less picky, more dependable for repeat business, and there's little hassle over invoicing or payment. For a moonlighter like me, these accounts work out well, because I come and mow after business hours, so there's no disruption to their business, and it makes it easy for me to come do the work.

* Mowing 60-80 yards solo, is going to be exhausting. Unless you're talking about the ideal scenario of 5 cookie cutter lots in a row, at a time. It takes time for those to "grow" from 1-5 houses at a stop.

* I do some sub-contract mowing for a friend. This might be an avenue if you're super critical to your current employer. Maybe save this conversation for later. If you leave, and he doesn't have a "mow guy", then talk to him about doing the mowing for him. Expect him to keep 20% of whatever he's charging the customers. This would allow you to supplement your customer base with his, and help you both out. Go in with an understanding that the situation is flexible. He's free to add/remove accounts, as are you. Agree on terms, and do good work so that it's a mutual win-win.

* Website - Be very careful when you do your domain search. I don't know what kind of domain lookup registry there is, but I lost my preferrerd domain name by not being ready to commit... I searced, found that it was available, procrastinated, and it was gone when I came back later. Someone snatched it, and it's offered for sale for ransom basically... SO - When you do your domain search, have your credit card with you, and BUY IT RIGHT THEN. You can actually buy the domain name for a few bucks, and don't have to "publish" the website, so it doesn't cost much to buy it & hold it. But don't mess up like I did.

Also, .US domains (any .country I believe) registy info is public, meaning the name, phone number, etc. registered to that address becomes publically visible. The Indian tech people will WEAR YOUR PHONE OUT! trying to get you to buy garbage. SO, if you get a .US domain extension, use a burner phone number when you register it. Nothing is more frustrating than wanting customers to call for quotes, and it's actually the Indian tech spammers bugging you...
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Update. Registered as llc in indiana and got an ein. Next steps bussiness account?
Also, .US domains (any .country I believe) registy info is public, meaning the name, phone number, etc. registered to that address becomes publically visible. The Indian tech people will WEAR YOUR PHONE OUT! trying to get you to buy garbage. SO, if you get a .US domain extension, use a burner phone number when you register it. Nothing is more frustrating than wanting customers to call for quotes, and it's actually the Indian tech spammers bugging you...
I had an issue with this when I got my domain name. However my hosting provider (Hostinger) had a service called "whois protection" for $5 a year or something that lists their office as the domain admin or something in the registry, so they absorb all the scam/sales calls. May be worth looking into.
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