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Steppin' it up to a dump next season, but need some advice

Discussion in 'Trucks and Trailers' started by BufalinoLand, Nov 7, 2005.

  1. BufalinoLand

    BufalinoLand LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 400

    Well boys Im really doing it, Im finally purchasing a dump truck,im done shovelling. But I need some advice. First off she'll be wearing a Bow Tie.

    1. But what size box and wheel base should I get.

    2. I dont plow but will get plow prep and 4x4

    3. 5 on the floor with a clutch too

    4. Can I get away with a 3500

    Thanks for your imput. Joe

    UNISCAPER LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,426

    What are you hauling, and how heavy do you usually run? You can't go wrong with the 4500 series, but if you are hauling light loads, then save a few bucks and keep with the 3500. I would much rather see you over spec your trucks needs than push the envelope with every load you run personally.
  3. BufalinoLand

    BufalinoLand LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 400

    I own and operate a small landscape maintenance company. Do lots of cutting mulching, leaf clean up, but dont want to short change myself at the same time. I can get into a 3500 dump for around 32000. how much for a 450
  4. Jpocket

    Jpocket LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,281

    a 3500 is usually more than enough for the Average Maintenance company.
    If you only hauling 4-5 yards of mulch, leaves, debris etc. A 3500 Mason dump is all you need. If your hauling heavier loads like stone, sand , and dirt than I would say a 4500.
  5. BufalinoLand

    BufalinoLand LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 400

    what size box would you recamend an 8 9 or 10
  6. Gravel Rat

    Gravel Rat LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 9,544

    If your not looking for a brand spanking new truck you can try find a 3500HD which is the older style 1.5 ton truck it uses the 19.5 wheels. They are a good truck they don't stand out like a sore thumb as they still look like a P/U truck not a medium duty. This is good for passing DOT scales etc its also good for neighbourhoods that frown on large trucks parked on the street.

    I agree you should always buy a slightly bigger truck than you need why run the truck to its max gvw for every load.

    It all depends on what you want to haul a regular 1 ton with a mason dump will give you a approx payload of 4000lbs a F-450 or Chev 4500 will have a legal paylod of 6000lbs but the trucks are good for 7000-8000lbs.

    If you are doing general work packing tools and carrying loads of topsoil a 1 ton will probably do if you are getting into the 2-3 yards of sand and gravel your pushing your luck.

    As for box length a 11' box is a good general use box you spec it with low sides so you can reach over the side into the box. The longer box will give you the length to carry long materials like lumber or fencing wood etc.

    In my mind the short boxes like 8' and 9' are pretty much only good for hauling sand and gravel you have to run tall sides to get light bulky stuff on the truck. With the tall sides you can't load from the side.

    You can get a box with fold down sides it makes the truck like a flatdeck and a dump box. The only problem is they are slightly heavier so your payload is decreased which you really don't want to do on a 1 ton.

    You other option is go with a aluminum box its a good amount lighter it never rusts it looks clean. If you want to use a 1 ton truck you will gain almost 1000lbs payload which is allot when your dealing with a 1 ton.
  7. Scag48

    Scag48 LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 6,067

    If you're staying strictly maintenance, you'll be fine with a 1 ton. If you think you'll be hauling dirt, I'd jump up to at least a 4500, if not a 5500. If it gets to the point where you're hauling alot of dirt, a dump trailer might be your best bet anyway, you can only put about 2-3 yards of dirt on a 1 ton vs. a heavy dump trailer can get you 4-5 yards. A 5500 is going to cost a bunch more so I think staying with a smaller, newer, and more fuel efficient 1 ton would be your best bet. For box size, i'd say at least 10. You might want to get a flatbed with stake pockets and a dump cylinder and custom build your sides to your specifications.
  8. Gravel Rat

    Gravel Rat LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 9,544

    Fuel mileage is another consideration if you are going to use the truck for a general work truck. The 1.5-2 ton trucks a tad piggy on fuel my F-450 gets max 13mpg its the 4:63 gears and the truck weighs 8400lbs. Its a trade off thou for the carrying capacity.
  9. Eclipse

    Eclipse LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,149

    If you are going to be using this truck to also haul a trailer around everyday, the shorter the bed the better, especially for getting around where space may not be a luxury. With that said I think 10' would still be fine on a regular cab truck.
  10. BufalinoLand

    BufalinoLand LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 400

    Thanks for the info fellas, just put a box thru my deer rifle before work, PA season is right around the corner. later

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