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Stick with 450 or go back to 350

Discussion in 'Trucks and Trailers' started by Gravel Rat, Oct 23, 2004.

  1. Gravel Rat

    Gravel Rat LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 9,544

    I need to replace my current 89 F-450 its getting tired it will be replaced with a 89-97 truck with lower kilometerage I'am not looking to spend big bucks on a new truck.

    I would like to have 4wheeldrive to make some of the jobs I do its also a peace of mind that the extra traction is there when I need it. My current truck is 2wd I have been doing fine with it but 20-30% of my work I should have a 4wheeldrive it can be done in 2wd just have to be more carefull.

    My jobs hauling seem to be getting away from the heavier loads I'am trying to stick with the rubbish removal and the yard clean up jobs. I have been avoiding the back breaking lumber hauling jobs where I have to hand load 2000-6000lbs of wood.

    With a F-350 I will be close to the manfactures gvw with some of the heavier loads but for the rubbish removal jobs most loads are 2000lbs and less which would put the gvw around 9500-10,000lbs.
  2. Gravel Rat

    Gravel Rat LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 9,544

    To add more to the first message which I screwed up I accidently pressed the wrong button :blob1:

    As I said I would like to have 4wheeldrive it would make my jobs abit easier some places I have togo are tough I can do it in 2wd but it can be tough. I was hesitant on going to a lighter truck as a F-350 is maxed out at 4000lbs of payload. Lately I haven't had many heavy loads to haul my current truck is being more of a daily driver more than anything else. Its got me thinking do I really need a 15,000lb gvw truck ?

    Going to a F-350 won't get me a lighter daily driver I don't think I will get a diesel 350 4x4 any lighter than my current truck which weighs 7800lbs with a full tank of fuel. I will have a truck that won't be classed as a light medium duty and I can avoid the DOT rules that apply to a truck over 12,000lb gvw.

    Should I just stick with a F-450 and put a locker in the diff to gain some traction and have a truck that can do all my jobs ?
  3. GeoffDiamond

    GeoffDiamond LawnSite Bronze Member
    from Maine
    Messages: 1,651

    These are questions only you can answer. However if this is like many other threads you have started in the past along the same lines. You will look for a truck that is out there. Because you will be looking for a truck that is worth 15K or more but you only want to shell out 10K. Like many have told you before if you want the A1 shape used trucks, be ready to pay for them.


    UNISCAPER LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,426

    We had 350's. Now we have 4500 chevies and 450 fords. Will never go below a 450 or 4500. The extra suspesion, heavier frame and overall more ruggedness of both trucks best suit the work we do.

    Most LCO's should be running 350's not any less. You are into more heavy earth and excavation work right?

    I would not go below the 450.
  5. Gravel Rat

    Gravel Rat LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 9,544

    A bare chassis 99 or around that year F-450 4x4 the price ranges from 20-30,000 a new F-450 4x4 is around 45,000 to 50,000. A dump deck and hoist will be 7-8,000 if you go for new.

    There is a 91 F-350 4x4 IDI power 5spd with a 12' dump box truck has 240,000kms (150,000miles) on it the wants 14,500 for it the guy is frigging nuts.

    Like I meantioned before there isn't enough work to justify spending big money on a truck. The 91 I just meantioned will never pay for itself the engine is close to its lifespan it will be a cavitation victim no time flat 90% of the old IDI trucks in this area had the engine die at 250,000-300,000kms. People have the meantality they figure the truck is a 4x4 its worth big bucks its that way with every 4x4 truck I phoned about. I can get a comparable F-Superduty for less money and a F-Superduty is a tougher truck.

    My question is do you think I could get away with using a F-350 again the truck is almost used like a P/U truck except for it has a 12x8 flatdeck on it. Most of the rubbish removal hauling requires a 12' long deck because I have to sort the material on the deck.

    If I knew I would be hauling heavy loads all the time I wouldn't consider a 350 but with me only hauling light loads lately I usually have 5200lbs of gvw to spare with most of my loads.

    The one thing that makes me wonder thou is why guys in this area that had F-350 4x4s dually flatdecks have gotten rid of them and went to trucks like mine. One guy had a real nice F-350 7.3 PSD 4x4 with a dump box he sold it and bought a truck twin to my current 89.

    Seeing people get rid of F-350s for F-450 trucks isn't making me rush out and spend big bucks on a F-350 4x4. Is it that they can't pack any weight after you put a dump body on them ?

    The 91 I meantioned says it has air bags if the rear suspension needs air bags to support any loads then I may not want a 350. I know most of the F-350s the truck is riding on the overload springs just with the deck and no load.

    I haven't had a F-350 since my 1980 which was close to 6 years ago if the 88-97 trucks handle loads the same I may reconsider going back to a 350.
  6. Gravel Rat

    Gravel Rat LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 9,544

    Well I have decided I'am better off sticking with a F-450 to improve the traction I will put a locker in the diff or a heavy duty limited slip made by Tractech. I may build a portable receiver mount winch that I could use on the front or the back to pull me out of stucks.

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