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Stone veneer over RR tie wall???

Discussion in 'Landscape Architecture and Design' started by fshrdan, Feb 14, 2008.

  1. fshrdan

    fshrdan LawnSite Member
    Messages: 142

    We have a customer with a medium size retaining wall in pretty good shape. Their budget is on the slim side. They hate the look of RR ties and would like to see a stacked stone wall in its place. Removing the wall and installing a block wall with a stone veneer will eat up most of the budget and leave little money for the green goods.

    Question: Would it be bad practice to nail a metal lathe over the tie wall and then veneer rocks over that? Never done this before, but I think it'd save $10/sq ft and give the effect they want. Any special considerations like increased weep holes, etc?

    Thanks for any advice.
  2. AGLA

    AGLA LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,776

    Yes, the ties are flexible and stone and mortar are not.
  3. ZX12R

    ZX12R LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 795

    Sure,you can apply stone vaneer to a RR tie wall as I have done this to a custome built fence. The wall should really be flat as some people step each course back 1/4" as they go up. If thats the case ,I would not apply vaneer.

    Apply lathe to the wall,scratch coat and then use a thinset made for exterior use.
  4. EgansCountryGardens

    EgansCountryGardens LawnSite Member
    Male, from Plymouth, MA
    Messages: 165

    No way! The ties move individually with expansion and contraction. This will fail for sure. You could probably screw pressure treated plywood on the face of this wall, then apply your veneer. But I would definately not just go over the ties.:nono:
  5. wurkn with amish

    wurkn with amish LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 662

    and not to mention they'll rot! Come on do it right, and just don't have a lot of green right off.
  6. PSUturf

    PSUturf LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 663

    No way because of what was previously said. Ties will expand and contract unlike the veneer.
  7. fshrdan

    fshrdan LawnSite Member
    Messages: 142

    Thanks for the advice guys. I think I'll try to steer them away from this idea and hopefully get an increase on budget.
  8. YardPro

    YardPro LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,570

    as they told you on the hardscapes forum..... this is a ridiculous idea
  9. fshrdan

    fshrdan LawnSite Member
    Messages: 142

    Thanks for your two cents there YardPro... after the fact
  10. TPnTX

    TPnTX LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,775

    If you have the room you can save some cost by building wall without removing the RRties. The demolition and disposal of the ties is significant.

    There was a 10-14 foot wall in town that was failing. In an effort to help the home owner get it fixed, I was hired just to talk to engineers and specialists about the giant wall. This one company I talked to does a lot of temporary walls for TX DOT and were top notch engineers. Their solution was to build a retaining wall outside the existing wall. Then back fill. The rrties will eventually decompose.

    Your orginal question has an obvious answer. Will a failing retaining wall support a stone vaneer or vice versa. That would be a no.

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