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Strategic Default

Discussion in 'Irrigation' started by ARGOS, Jul 10, 2010.

  1. ARGOS

    ARGOS LawnSite Silver Member
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    I lost a few customers through strategic default. All second homes.

    Interesting how this real estate downturn has caused a paradigm shift in the perception of debt and/or mortgages obligations.

    Article in NYT

    Ps. Peter FYI I didn't read the article. Too many words.
  2. 1idejim

    1idejim LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,315

    i like pictures too!

    public radio had a segment on the rich defaulting at the drop of a hat, they look at a default as a bad investment, the not rich look at their life savings going down the tubes.




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    Basically the rich have less scruples about defaulting on a loan. No surprise really. States that depend on the rich to fund everything are taking massive hits right now. If the rich aren't leaving they are certainly making a lot less money. The beauty to the sales tax over the income tax. Everybody contributes to running the state.
  4. Tom Tom

    Tom Tom LawnSite Bronze Member
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    I'll bet those walking away are not losing a whole lot of equity. They bought houses with little or nothing down. It would be a different story if they had 20%+ equity invested.
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2010
  5. ARGOS

    ARGOS LawnSite Silver Member
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    After reading the article and listening to the NPR report on strategic default I noticed the constant in both articles is that the wealthy view a strategic default as a wise investment decision whereas the middle class feels the responsibility to pay the mortgage because of fiscal responsibility.

    In the 1980's real estate bubble burst, mortgage holders felt that they were responsible for the debt they incurred.

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    A 500,000 mortgage the bank owns you. A 5 mil mortgage you own the bank.
  7. irrig8r

    irrig8r LawnSite Platinum Member
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    That was an interesting article. I've done a lot of business in Los Altos and Los Altos Hills over the years... No late payments from anyone I've worked for there. Some of those downtown businesses were recently leveled for a new project currently under construction.

    Lots of residential remodeling still going on too. Also, to put it in perspective, 15 defaults in a town with a population of over 28,000....

    OTOH, I did turn down a project recently in Saratoga where the couple was going through a divorce after 9 years of remodeling/ reconstruction work... she didn't seem to be employed, and asked for the work to be done, saying her husband didn't know she had already taken money out of their joint account to pay me, before I had even given her a quote... Just didn't feel right.

    And another customer there was about to have her power turned off for lack of payment while I was working there the other day...

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