And see, thats exactly as it is with internet industry forums, such as Lawnsite. The same topics will always keep coming up, over and over. I have even thought about storing my responses in a Word file and just copy and paste. Same old, same old, yet many of us keep returning day after day, week after week, year after year. Is having 2 full size tractor trailers, all the sales reps, and the Showcase support team canvassing the United States and Canada worth the dreaded door hanger spiel? That's alotta glitter. Glitter baked into the cost of the product. Glitter that the other manufacturers are not sporting. Hardscape guys will always attend the Showcases. Even if for the next 5 years Pete still is preaching door hangers. We're not going to miss the opportunity to eat a free meal (compliments of OUR hardscape clients whom have selected to use Techo for their job). We're not going to miss the opportunity to see who from our area shows up. We're not going to miss the opportunity to network. But all those things have little to do with the message that Techo is trying to convey. Thus, making their objective counter productive, that is - as long as we're still hooked on the door hanger and mailer card spiel. Techo will never see this. Because their attendance numbers won't decrease, for the reasons I mentioned in the above paragragh. And their survey sheet doesnt really ask questions regarding the bordom of the door hanger and mailer card spiel. Pete made it clear at the Frederick MD show that Techo doesnt care what people online (people who are buyers of pavers and hardscape products) have to say about the show. (he was referring to himself, but he is the representative of his employer) He made it clear that Techo DOES NOT want business from these people. Keep in mind - many of us contractors have a conceived stereotype of our clients. And sales reps of hardscape products have a conceived stereotype of the contractors that buy from them Except we contractors don't broadcast to our existing and or previous clients such thoughts.... In another thread - ETWMan said it best when he said Techo needs to come up with a new format. .