this is sure to be moved, but i don't care. about 4 yrs ago, i changed my fert programs. this is what i've noticed- when i am cutting, and ferting, the lawns are beautiful, and require much less attention, as the years go on, with me at the helm. generally, a brand new client will require a full program the first year, maybe the second year, but as the years go on under my supervision, using my techniques, the properties require less applications. here we are, almost into july. the competitions lawns are brown, crunchy, and starting to be over run with weeds. my lawns, both irrigated and non irrigated, are in fine condition. and my 3rd year properties.......most of them recieved nothing more than 18-10-10 for the first round, no pre - em, no post em, and are looking weed free and SEWEEEEET. SO, if you know what the freak your doing, you get desired results, with less chemicals and fert. if you don't know what you're doing, you do the same program every year. for the guys that DO KNOW what they are doing, do you practice TRUE ipm, and tone down your apps after year 2, 3, and four? or do you just pour it on, and collect the dough? and if you REALLY DO IT RIGHT, this means less and less apps, how does this effect your wallet? or do you do what i do, CHARGE THEM ANYWAY?