I just want to thank Nate Mullen and Joey DiGiovanni for making this forum the #1 landscape lighting forum on the internet. These guys are working hard and supplying tremendous information. Priceless information free. I am not in the least offended by the occasional promotion of product. In fact this should be a lesson in marketing to all. These guys are amazing promoters and obviously feel very strongly about their product. We should all have the same drive and passion when we sell our services. Thanks again Joey and Nate . You have made this website a destination and a reason to visit.