The marketing , and members have said it .
Standers are a fad simple. Dealers say all the NEW GUYS LOVE THEM, and the new guys think it's cool. It easier to sell cool and to the uninformed it's real cool.
I agree the standers do have a market and companies do need them to a point , then cool kicks in and they skyrocket .
I have run walkers since 1998,99 2000 and I currently one a stander and hands down walker is better, for the yard its in.
To each his own they make it , we need it , we buy it
I hate those designer grass seeds where you mow it 5 times a year and never grows, thanks again cutting edge seeds. Posted via Mobile Device
Half time overtime, also known as Chinese overtime because we fell under agriculture? Doing residential? For TG??? Come on labor department catch up on my 80 hours a week at $3 something an hour.
Lawn care and Landscaping does not fall under Agg. The NAICS code for lawn servicing is 561730. It's parent sectors are:
• 56 - Administrative and Support and Waste Management and Remediation Services http://www.naicscode.com/Search/MoreNAICSDetail.asp?N=56
• 561 - Administrative and Support Services
• 5617 - Services to Buildings and Dwellings
• 56173 - Landscaping Services
Lawn care and Landscaping does not fall under Agg. The NAICS code for lawn servicing is 561730. It's parent sectors are:
• 56 - Administrative and Support and Waste Management and Remediation Services http://www.naicscode.com/Search/MoreNAICSDetail.asp?N=56
• 561 - Administrative and Support Services
• 5617 - Services to Buildings and Dwellings
• 56173 - Landscaping Services
That was back in 86 to 90. That's what management said about Ag. I never investigated it. I was young and a little nieave at the time. Thanks for the info. I always felt cheated! $750 daily production goals averaging $30 per stop and I don't leave any stones unturned. Posted via Mobile Device
I tell you guys what , find
Me 1, just 1 besides mine at a dealer near here I would be shocked to hexx , no one , not one contractor new or used have them, it is why I tried them.
Here they are no good.when compaired to loc in the area. Posted via Mobile Device
I am new here, good discussion. I am shamed to relay I paid big bucks for a 21" "commercial grade" mower (brand not really pertinent) that does not have a choke or throttle! I knew better! Fine, I guess for regular season, warm/hot days but in fall/early spring it takes 2 people to get it started/keep it running with primer til it warms up enough to run on its own. Also will never agree it is a good idea the operator can't have any discression on engine speed for conditions and best interests of the engine. OK I will name the brand, Exmark! For a commercial grade company charging commercial grade rates on their products they should not put this type stuff out. Also just made aware that as greatly designed as their current standers are, they skimped on the air filter on the 36" by not putting a canister air filter on it! That is sooo 80s/90s. It can be cobbled-in I know, but it raises questions in my mind. Am going with a machine that is 100% commercial grade from start to finish!
My trimmer is a Stihl 4-mix with the flip up gas cap. Best trimmer I've ever owned. Lower tone to the motor. Better torque. Gas cap is quick and effective. Yeah, it has a little learning curve. But it's a better cap.
I had a Toro t-bar WB and never liked it. Bought it new and wore it out. (OK, beat it to death is more like it.) I do like my new Exmark's ECS controls though.
I agree with both of these statements. It's like I wrote 'em myself. I own a lot of Stihl equipment... and it all runs great... even the oldest pieces. I'm ditto on the Toro T-bar - never liked it but I love the hydro ECS.
I've been through 10-15 of those damn gas caps. If you don't twist it on all the way and lock it, then the plastic center breaks and won't secure the cap. The next thing u know the side of your body is covered in gas and half the tank emptied out on someone's lawn. Garbage, the machine is great, but the caps are garbage...
I don't get this. I bought two Stihls and yes, the cap was crap, took 'em back to the dealer, he slapped on the "new improved cap" and never a problem again. Since then I've probably bought six more Stihl weedeaters and never a problem. Did you guys NOT take the weedeaters back for the recall on bad caps??
I tell you guys what , find
Me 1, just 1 besides mine at a dealer near here I would be shocked to hexx , no one , not one contractor new or used have them, it is why I tried them.
Here they are no good.when compaired to loc in the area. Posted via Mobile Device
Well, I guess I'll weigh in on this stander conversation. I run wb's and ZTR's. Actually just bought a 72" Cheetah. I have lots ranging from 1/5 acre to 15 acres. Obviously, for 5 acres and up, I'm running ZTR'S. But for the smaller subdivision residentials, like 1/2 acre lots, I'm considering picking up a stander because I can see where it would have a place there. They have great speed for the size, highly maneuverable, plus it's very compact and easier to train an employee to run than a wb with a sulky. I really like the Gravely Pro Stance and I believe it could be an upgrade over a wb with a sulky.
But...
I have to agree with the comment made by 35dollars. I have dealers all around my area and there isn't one that I know of that has a stander on his lot. WTF? There are three Scag dealers within 45 mins from me and NONE have a stander out for sale - Tigers, Cheetahs, wb's... but no V-Rides?? Same with the Exmark dealers - there's four of them nearby - and no standers. In fact, the only time I've ever seen a stander at a dealer was a Toro Grandstand. One. One Grandstand. And I'm not kidding, that thing sat on that lot for two years.
Now, I am in Northern Virginia and there are horse farms and estates everywhere so maybe it's just a ZTR kind of area. And maybe the McMansion subdivisions around here call for wb's over standers. Maybe in my area, there's just more demand for them and no so much for standers.
I still want to try one though. Because... I believe it may have it's place and it may make sense for me... in certain scenarios.
For 1/4 acre to 3/4 acre a stander is the most efficient hands down. Its not a fad. If all my properties were in this range I would only run standers. We mow 1/4 acre to 5+ acre properties. My ultimate setup would be a 48" WB, 52" stander, and a 60" ZTR on each trailer. Posted via Mobile Device
Well, I guess I'll weigh in on this stander conversation. I run wb's and ZTR's. Actually just bought a 72" Cheetah. I have lots ranging from 1/5 acre to 15 acres. Obviously, for 5 acres and up, I'm running ZTR'S. But for the smaller subdivision residentials, like 1/2 acre lots, I'm considering picking up a stander because I can see where it would have a place there. They have great speed for the size, highly maneuverable, plus it's very compact and easier to train an employee to run than a wb with a sulky. I really like the Gravely Pro Stance and I believe it could be an upgrade over a wb with a sulky.
But...
I have to agree with the comment made by 35dollars. I have dealers all around my area and there isn't one that I know of that has a stander on his lot. WTF? There are three Scag dealers within 45 mins from me and NONE have a stander out for sale - Tigers, Cheetahs, wb's... but no V-Rides?? Same with the Exmark dealers - there's four of them nearby - and no standers. In fact, the only time I've ever seen a stander at a dealer was a Toro Grandstand. One. One Grandstand. And I'm not kidding, that thing sat on that lot for two years.
Now, I am in Northern Virginia and there are horse farms and estates everywhere so maybe it's just a ZTR kind of area. And maybe the McMansion subdivisions around here call for wb's over standers. Maybe in my area, there's just more demand for them and no so much for standers.
I still want to try one though. Because... I believe it may have it's place and it may make sense for me... in certain scenarios.
I have used them all, I am about to buy a state of the art stander for small yards. Except for price, I say nothing better about any walk behind against a stander GENERALLY. Of course there are always exceptions. Most current standers have the option to walk so if you really want to walk, you can. A sulky behind a walker can be cumbersome, get in a long narrow spot between the house and fence and try to back up a long ways without hanging up the sulky to do it! I weigh a lot, if it is a 1 wheel sulky and it is a little soft? Forget it without leaving a long wheel rut. Walkers stick out a long ways, when you make corrections or turn, the handles have a severe opposite action so watch out for your hands getting pinched. (talking about pistol grips here, I know there are other setups). Now you see standers promoted to be wonderful around trees? Forget it, no benefit around low hanging anything, you are standing up! You will make a little sacrifice around some trees but you need to trim there anyway. My first stander was one of the first on the market, a 48" with out electric start and spacer style deck height adjust. Today they are putting rapid height and electric on them all over the place. I see standers making a big presence here in Shreveport now, almost exclusively Exmarks. Gravely not so much yet. Those are the dealers we have. I am about to get a Wright because of side by side spec comparison. Only I am a bit uneasy not having a local dealer for it if I need help but again, it is not going to be my most critical machine.
they all made fun of us with the first super surfers
'you will fall off of it'
'it's dangerous'
'it's stupid'
'why would you even want that'
it's like magic and fireÂ…. everything is satanic witchcraft and should be feared until the first guy has a BBQ with smoking hot brats, and then everyone joins in
'best thing since sliced bread'
'only real guys do it like this'
yada yada yada.
personally, having been a 'youngster' (late 20s) during the development days and beta testing of stand on mowersÂ… I don't think they do that much better on hills than other mowersÂ…. which was supposed to be the big deal originally.
someone above made a good pointÂ…. long thin areas, trying to back out with a velke? what a mess.
Ive never seen a stander spin on a dime and take out a mail box with a SWISH (walker I'm looking at you)
hands down standers do the least amount of accidental damage to a property they are maintaining.
They take the least damage when loaded on a trailer during transport.
but they are hardly the 'wonder' mower either.
Compare a regular 48 stand on to a 48 walkerÂ…. in every situation, I think both mowers with equipped with a mulch deck will perform the job in the same time frame on a 'regular' residential lawnÂ…with one exception, mowing near pond edgesÂ…this is not for a walkerÂ… it will become a submarine.
Generally a stander will be 35-40% less expensive than a B model walker.
and 50% the price of a T model.
If there are gates to open, hoses to move, and a news paper to move off the lawnÂ… the stander is better than the walker because you had to keep getting up from that crouched position to move all that stuff.
No number of walkers with the deck in the up position, can ever squeeze in the same space on a trailer or box truck like standers canÂ…
howeverÂ…how many dudes actually run a crew with 5 to 6 mowers per truck?
So this is kind of a moot point, reallyÂ…Im not even sure why manufactures try to sell this, since it hardly ever happens (wright and grasshopper really try to push the 'more mowers per trailer thing')
Ive had 6 walk behinds before and/or 4 standersÂ…but it was VERY route specificÂ… and i can't imagine this being standard anywhere.
Even at TG/ brickman/Valley crest I've need seen more than 3-4 mowers.
But basically: Dupont brought a selective herbicide to market that ended up killing a butt-ton of evergreens, causing serious problems for a lot of applicators.
Doesn't stop weeds. Any seed on top of fabric will germinate. Pain in the butt when you go to remove a mulch layer. Even the heaviest stuff will breakdown over time.
Another flop/scam. Calling Zoysia low water, fert, maintenance wonder grass. Add Grassology to this list too. Posted via Mobile Device
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